[jbpm-dev] Re: Collaboration

[Thomas Diesler]

Hi Kris,

if there is a reason you would not like to discuss this openly, please 
let me know and I respond directly.

cheers
-thomas

Thomas Diesler wrote:
> Hi Kris,
> 
> thanks for this feedback. Could you please put this on the dev forum, 
> I'll be glad to answer there.
> 
> cheers
> -thomas
> 
> Kris Verlaenen wrote:
>> Thomas,
>>
>> I don't know if you know me but I'm a member of the JBoss Drools team 
>> and leading the ruleflow efforts and the integration between processes 
>> and rules.  Our vision is to create a unified platform where rules and 
>> processes are simply different ways of expressing (some of your) 
>> business logic and can be seamlessly integrated.  This would allow 
>> users to select the most appropriate paradigm for their problem and 
>> integrate rules and processes without requiring them to learn and 
>> integrate different products themselves.  This is partially based on 
>> the observation that both rules and processes have a very similar life 
>> cycle: creation in a custom editor, storing your business logic in a 
>> repository, deployment to a runtime environment, monitoring and 
>> management of the execution, etc.  We believe that is should be 
>> possible to offer an unified environment where this life cycle is 
>> supported as much as possible and both rules and processes are 
>> considered different types of business logic.
>>
>> Mark told me that you are creating a BPM API that can be used for both 
>> jBPM 3 and 4.  It would be interesting to see whether ruleflow can 
>> also fit in here (and maybe in the long term whether we can offer a 
>> similar API for both rules and processes).  I'm already working with 
>> Koen Aers on creating a shared core process definition model for both 
>> jBPM and Drools Flow, so there might be some overlap.  I attached a 
>> screenshot of our progress so far (the core concepts).  Is there any 
>> information available about the API that I could take a look at.  I'd 
>> also be glad to provide you with more information about our approach 
>> or links to our API as well.
>>
>> I hope we'll be able to share some of the efforts of both teams. As I 
>> said already, I'm working with Koen on integrating and extending the 
>> eclipse-based process designer.  But I'm also thinking about our 
>> repository (Guvnor) for storing business logic, or the BAM/SAM 
>> efforts.  I would be interested in knowing what you guys are up to in 
>> the future to see whether there are some opportunities for 
>> collaboration.  I've also been told that you are going to provide 
>> WS-HumanTask integration for handling human tasks.  I have implemented 
>> a proof of concept implementation for Drools Flow that uses the WS-HT 
>> service from ActiveEndpoints to execute human tasks in Drools Flow.  I 
>> also have some experience with Eclipse-BIRT for creating basic 
>> monitoring reports for our execution engine.  So if I can be of any 
>> assistance, let me know.
>>
>> Kris
>>
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Thomas Diesler
BPM Product Lead
JBoss, a division of Red Hat
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