[jbpm-dev] What's going on exactly

[Thomas Diesler]

Hi Bernd,

please see my response which can hopefully clarify the situation to some 
extend.

 > Is JBoss BPM now a different project than jBPM? Or is it one?
 > Where is the exact goal of the BPM?
 > Where does this BPM-API should lead to?

The jBPM project is different from the the API+CTS effort. For the 
JBossBPM (this brand name is by no means final) Mission see

http://jbpm.dyndns.org/jbpmwiki/index.php?title=APIMission

Whether and how jBPM4 will adopt this (or another) API is currently 
being discussed and we can hopefully come to a conclusion by the end of 
Sep-2008. Apart from jBPM4 there is another JBoss player in the BPM 
space, which is DroolsFlow. There is a large overlap in functionality 
between these projects, which the API+CTS can hopefully consolidate.

The situation with jBPM3 is, that it is currently our BPM solution that 
we ship with the various platforms. The project didn't have a release 
for over 9 months and generally lacked maturity from a product 
perspective. This is what I take care of. Starting with jbpm-3.3 we will 
have regular releases approximately every 8 weeks. The areas of 
improvement will be: automated qa, installer, console, maven build, scm

http://jbws.dyndns.org:8280/hudson/job/jBPM-Matrix/
http://jbpm.dyndns.org/jbpmwiki/index.php?title=JBPM3BuildingTheInstaller
http://jbpm.dyndns.org/jbpmwiki/index.php?title=JBPM3BuildingFromSource
http://jbws.dyndns.org:8180/gwt-console

There won't be much added functionality in jBPM3. Innovation happens in 
jBPM4, which will hopefully replace jBPM3 at some point in the future.

Obviously, we need replacement criteria and provide a stable API at the 
same time that our enterprise customers can rely on. This is waht the 
API+CTS is about.

In the meantime, the API+CTS is work in progress and will hopefully see 
much cooperation from the various camps such that we end up with a 
solution that our experts agree on.

Finally, I must apologize for creating this confusion in the first 
place. The API+CTS started off as part of the jBPM3 productization 
effort and used the jBPM mailing list and forums for communication. 
Later we realized that we need to do some more home work on bringing all 
the players together. Until this is sorted, you should see no more posts 
on the API+CTS on the jBPM infrastructure. If you still like to stay 
informed please visit http://jbpm.dyndns.org/jbpmwiki

Bottom Line: If you are a jBPM contributer, stay with jBPM, PVM, etc. 
until you hear from Tom Baeyens whether and how the project aligns with 
the JBoss BPM API+CTS effort.

cheers
-thomas


Bernd Rücker wrote:
> Hi all!
> 
>  
> 
> I am really confused by now what is going on in the jBPM project and 
> JBoss BPM project. Could somebody please clarify:
> 
> -          Is JBoss BPM now a different project than jBPM? Or is it one?
> 
> -          Where is the exact goal of the BPM?
> 
> -          Where does this BPM-API should lead to?
> 
> -          The BPM documentation uses some XML notation. Which language 
> is that?
> 
> -          How does PVM / jBPM 4 relate to the “JBoss BPM”?
> 
> -          What products will be available? PVM, jBPM jPDL 3, jBPM jPDL 
> 4? What’s with BPEL?
> 
> -          What effort is going to on to integrate BPMN?
> 
> -          Who is project lead of what?
> 
>  
> 
> And:
> 
> -          When is the mailinglist used, when the forum?
> 
>  
> 
> Sorry, but I am really confused. I thought there was a clear vision in 
> the jBPM project (PVM / jBPM jPDL 4 as “reference implementation”), but 
> now there are a lot of other things, like this “BPM product”. What is 
> exactly going on here?
> 
>  
> 
> Sorry for asking that “silly” questions, I have some idea in my mind 
> about how everything goes on, but am not sure if that picture reflects 
> reality ;-)
> 
> 
> And as long I don’t have a clear picture is hard for me to contribute 
> ideas or code and to continue giving presentations on jBPM on 
> conferences (since normally I try to know what I am talking about). Also 
> it will be an interesting information for delivering the RedHat jBPM 
> trainings….
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks for your answers
> 
> Bernd
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