[jbpm-dev] Re- IOR gateway

Mauricio Salatino salaboy at gmail.com
Sat Aug 13 15:30:05 EDT 2011 

Great.. i will try to take a look on that and give you some estimations..

On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Antoine Toulme <atoulme at intalio.com> wrote:

> I would recommend reading pages 292 and 436.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Antoine
>
> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Mauricio Salatino <salaboy at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Can you please point me in the spec (Pages) so I can review it and give
>> you some feedback and estimations?
>> I'm pretty sure that we can use a complex converging gateway to cover that
>> features, but I would like to be sure that we are talking about the same
>> thing.
>> Cheers
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Antoine Toulme <atoulme at intalio.com>wrote:
>>
>>> The BPMN spec contains the business requirements and the description of
>>> the functionality of this construct.
>>> Anurag also explained the functionality in this thread.
>>>
>>> The questions we have for the jBPM team are:
>>> -is this construct on the roadmap ? if yes, for which release ?
>>> -if yes, is there a way to track its development ?
>>> -Overall, what would the work consist and how hard is it to implement ?
>>>
>>> Please advise.
>>>
>>> Antoine
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Mauricio Salatino <salaboy at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's what I mention. it can be easy to implement most of the times but
>>>> there are also some complex business use case that can complicate the
>>>> generic approaches.
>>>> Looking at a concrete use case will help a lot to understand what do you
>>>> want to achieve.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:53 PM, mardo <mardo at abicola.de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi there,****
>>>>>
>>>>> ** **
>>>>>
>>>>> just some general remarks from my side:****
>>>>>
>>>>> ** **
>>>>>
>>>>> the semantics and implementation of the inclusive OR-join are far from
>>>>> trivial. See e.g. references below.****
>>>>>
>>>>> ** **
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://domino.research.ibm.com/library/cyberdig.nsf/papers/331BE249A11C1B3F852577DE003B5477/$File/rz3791.pdf
>>>>> ****
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.springerlink.com/content/97413825k6141332/****
>>>>>
>>>>> ** **
>>>>>
>>>>> However, I’d be interested in the concrete business requirement you
>>>>> have for modeling, since from my experience you can cover a very large part
>>>>> of regular requirements just using the “simple” gateways.****
>>>>>
>>>>> ** **
>>>>>
>>>>> Best****
>>>>>
>>>>> ** **
>>>>>
>>>>> Markus****
>>>>>
>>>>> ** **
>>>>>
>>>>> ** **
>>>>>
>>>>> ** **
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* jbpm-dev-bounces at lists.jboss.org [mailto:
>>>>> jbpm-dev-bounces at lists.jboss.org] *On Behalf Of *Mauricio Salatino
>>>>> *Sent:* Freitag, 12. August 2011 14:21
>>>>> *To:* Anurag Aggarwal
>>>>> *Cc:* jbpm-dev at lists.jboss.org
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [jbpm-dev] Re- IOR gateway****
>>>>>
>>>>> ** **
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Anurag,****
>>>>>
>>>>> Based on your description I think that I'm understanding what do you
>>>>> want to do now. ****
>>>>>
>>>>> Right now the behaviors implemented in jBPM5 are XOR and AND.  ****
>>>>>
>>>>> I think what you want to implement is N of M converging gateway, as it
>>>>> was in Drools Flow? Am I right?****
>>>>>
>>>>> You want to wait 2 of the 3 branches that you have to propagate the
>>>>> execution? ****
>>>>>
>>>>> ** **
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers****
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 5:47 AM, Anurag Aggarwal <anurag at intalio.com>
>>>>> wrote:****
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Mauricio,****
>>>>>
>>>>> ** **
>>>>>
>>>>> If an an AND converging gateway has n incoming branches, it expects
>>>>> that all incoming have been triggered and when it is so - it calls
>>>>> triggerCompleted (so that the rest of the process can continue)****
>>>>>
>>>>> ** **
>>>>>
>>>>> In case of OR converging, lets assume a process****
>>>>>
>>>>> ** **
>>>>>
>>>>>                         branch1 ****
>>>>>
>>>>>                      /               \****
>>>>>
>>>>> OR (diverging) - branch 2 -  OR (converging)****
>>>>>
>>>>>                      \               /****
>>>>>
>>>>>                        branch 3****
>>>>>
>>>>> ** **
>>>>>
>>>>> now any of branches may be triggered, OR converging has to wait for all
>>>>> branches that were actually triggered (say branch1 and branch 3). But the
>>>>> problem is it does not know which branches were triggered (for AND it was
>>>>> easier - just wait for all branches to be triggered). here in case of OR -
>>>>> we don't know to continue to wait for branch 2 or not****
>>>>>
>>>>> ** **
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards, Anurag****
>>>>>
>>>>> ** **
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 12, 2011, at 1:18 AM, Mauricio Salatino wrote:****
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ****
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Antoine,****
>>>>>
>>>>> So do you want to implement and OR or and AND converging gateway, by
>>>>> the description it looks like and AND converging gateway. Is there any
>>>>> differences with the AND converging gateway that is currently implemented in
>>>>> jBPM5? ****
>>>>>
>>>>> ** **
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers****
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Antoine Toulme <atoulme at intalio.com>
>>>>> wrote:****
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Mauricio, that's an OR converging gateway.****
>>>>>
>>>>> ** **
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:42 AM, Mauricio Salatino <salaboy at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:****
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi guys.. that's the AND Converging gateway right?****
>>>>>
>>>>> The AND waits for all the branches that are converging before
>>>>> propagate.****
>>>>>
>>>>> If that's not what you are looking for it should be very easy to
>>>>> implement.. and probably you can model that with the complex converge
>>>>> gateway.****
>>>>>
>>>>> ** **
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers.****
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Antoine Toulme <atoulme at intalio.com>
>>>>> wrote:****
>>>>>
>>>>> Broadcasting to list in case other committers have an insight ?****
>>>>>
>>>>> ** **
>>>>>
>>>>> Antoine****
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Anurag Aggarwal <anurag at intalio.com>
>>>>> wrote:****
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Kris,
>>>>>
>>>>> How are you
>>>>>
>>>>> Recently one of our requirements came up for converging IOR gateway,
>>>>> this is the gateway which according to bpmn specification syncs up on all
>>>>> upstream tokens and propagates token when no upstream token is left
>>>>>
>>>>> Currently jbpm does not support this construct, I was wondering if jbom
>>>>> has this in roadmap and if you can give some advice on difficulty and state
>>>>>  of implementation
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Anurag****
>>>>>
>>>>> ** **
>>>>>
>>>>> ** **
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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