[jbpm-dev] Question about workitems and abort

Tue Jan 24 18:55:38 EST 2012

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On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 7:49 PM, Giovanni Marigi <gmarigi at redhat.com> wrote:
> and as you said maybe it makes sense to retry only the
> work item logic and not all the steps between human task#1 and human task#2
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Giovanni Marigi" <gmarigi at redhat.com>
> To: "Mauricio Salatino" <salaboy at gmail.com>
> Cc: jbpm-dev at lists.jboss.org, jboss-italy at redhat.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 11:40:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [jbpm-dev] Question about workitems and abort
>
> "Aborting the work item have a different meaning, it means that it's
> not needed any more and the process can continue."
>
> this clarify me a lot! maybe I misunderstood the meaning of abort method inside work items, now it sounds me much more clear.
> This says to me that the workitem itself must be a safe point inside the process and its completion or abortion must be done not inside the work item but inside the component called by the work item (must have a reference of WorkItemManager of course)
>
> Thanks a lot Mauricio!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mauricio Salatino" <salaboy at gmail.com>
> To: "Giovanni Marigi" <gmarigi at redhat.com>
> Cc: jbpm-dev at lists.jboss.org, jboss-italy at redhat.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 11:27:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [jbpm-dev] Question about workitems and abort
>
> It sounds like your scenario must be sequential not synchronous..
> Human Tasks are asynchronous by nature, that means that if you are
> planning to retry you work item logic it can be async.
> Can you elaborate a little bit more about why do you think that is a
> work around?
>
> Aborting the work item have a different meaning, it means that it's
> not needed any more and the process can continue.
>
> Cheers
>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 7:23 PM, Giovanni Marigi <gmarigi at redhat.com> wrote:
>> The problem is if I abort the work item the human task#2 is anyway created;
>> thats why I'm wondering what is the meaning of work item abort method if the process anyway goes on!
>>
>> Make the work item logic async could be a "workaround" but it means to change the logic
>> in my scenario:
>>  - completion of human task 1
>>  - work item execution
>>  - creation of human task 2
>> must be synch
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Giovanni
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mauricio Salatino" <salaboy at gmail.com>
>> To: "Giovanni Marigi" <gmarigi at redhat.com>
>> Cc: jbpm-dev at lists.jboss.org, jboss-italy at redhat.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 11:15:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: [jbpm-dev] Question about workitems and abort
>>
>> In my perspective if the Human Task #1 is completed the process will
>> move to the work item.The Human Task #2 will not be created if you
>> abort the work item.
>>
>> What you can do is to make the internal work item logic to be async.
>> In that way it will work as a safe state, and you can retry only the
>> work item logic.
>> Does it make sense to you?
>> Cheers
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 7:07 PM, Giovanni Marigi <gmarigi at redhat.com> wrote:
>>> very similar to https://community.jboss.org/thread/170232
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mauricio Salatino" <salaboy at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Giovanni Marigi" <gmarigi at redhat.com>
>>> Cc: jbpm-dev at lists.jboss.org, jboss-italy at redhat.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 10:51:31 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [jbpm-dev] Question about workitems and abort
>>>
>>> by the way.. this question should be asked in the forum.. because it's
>>> an user question..
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 6:50 PM, Mauricio Salatino <salaboy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Giovanni,
>>>> My question to you is exactly what do you mean by the previous safe state?
>>>> The previous safe state sounds like right after calling the EJB in
>>>> your case. Are you doing sync calls before that error? Can you
>>>> describe a little bit more about your scenario and how your activities
>>>> are being executed?
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 6:38 PM, Giovanni Marigi <gmarigi at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> my question is about the completion of a custom workitem; my scenario:
>>>>>
>>>>> - process reaches and executes a custom work item
>>>>> - work item throws an exception (under the hood it calls an ejb that throws an exception)
>>>>> - the exception is catched inside the work item
>>>>> - inside the catch block the method manager.abortWorkItem is called
>>>>>
>>>>> In case of abortion of a work item I'm wondering why the nest step inside a process is anyway called?
>>>>> In case of abortion of a work item IMHO the process should not go on but "roll back" to the previous safe state
>>>>> This is the scenario my customer need.
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually I'm facing this situation not calling the method manager.abortWorkItem but throwing inside the work item a
>>>>> throw new IllegalStateException("****EJBControlWorkItemHandler:ILLEGAL STATE EXCEPTION!!!****")
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe a solution could be an evaluation of the work item status after the completion of the work item. Anyway how can I handle an automatically rollback to a previous safe state?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Giovanni
>>>>>
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