[jbpm-dev] [JBPM 5.x] service task repository

Tue Mar 13 18:24:30 EDT 2012

Michael, do you know if you can bootstrap the JCR container without a
container? I think that it should be possible.. to have like a repository
guvnor without all the UI. We should think about that option too right?
Cheers

On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:20 PM, Michael Anstis
<michael.anstis at gmail.com>wrote:

> Yes, I agree largely with what you say, but to add a little balance I
> thought I'd respond too ;)
>
> 1) Technically, Guvnor doesn't need a J2EE server, just a Servlet
> container so Tomcat does the job just fine.
>
> 2) AFAIK, you can download individual assets source from Guvnor with the
> REST API. If you pushed a package file to Akamai* you have the same issue.
>
> 3) Fair point. If you don't have a single folder on Akamai* but scatter
> your assets across a file system you have the same issue.
>
> 4) OK, move the point of failure from your control to a cloud solution.
> Simpler, probably cheaper, but fair point.
>
> I don't mean to start a tit-for-tat exchange, just adding some balance.
>
> Cheerio,
>
> Mike
>
> *Other cloud providers are available.
>
>
> On 13 March 2012 17:43, Tihomir Surdilovic <tsurdilo at redhat.com> wrote:
>
>>  I think you have very valid points. IMO just:
>> 1) There should not be a limitation exposed on users to have to have
>> Guvnor (and thus a J2EE server) running in order to host static files
>> (service repo).
>> 2) Guvnor assets are divided into packages, if you lets say have a
>> "serviceRepo" package and from what I can tell you say build it and expose
>> a pkg or zip or whatever, someone on the other end has to understand what a
>> pkg file is/isnot or have to know how to unzip etc.
>> 3) If you do not have a dedicated guvnor package for your service repo,
>> then you need advanced logic to piece together all assets that belong to
>> your repo..in the same environment that your users are developing/modelling
>> in..not very intuitive imo.
>> 4) Let's say you want to use guvnor and this is some sort of
>> mission-critical service repo for you, to do this now you need a clustering
>> environement of J2EE server(s) and Guvnor running in a cluster all
>> connected to a clustered JCR repo..etc etc..instead of just pushing your
>> static files to akamai and call it a day :)
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>> On 3/13/12 1:32 PM, Mauricio Salatino wrote:
>>
>> Tiho, a question for you.. why guvnor cannot host a file? I mean.. I'm
>> not sure how Porcelli is creating the war files for the services, but we
>> can generate something similar right? some meta information, some images,
>> some configuration files, etc, when the user or a client like eclipse want
>> to get the workitemhandler installed it just create a zip file with all the
>> required dependencies and it send that back to the client. In that way we
>> will gain versioning, categorization and tagging for free..right? Plus the
>> possibility in the future to manage that with a workflow for approvals if
>> we add that for all the other resources.
>> Probably I'm missing something but I don't understand what is the Guvnor
>> limitation to host files or descriptors, we are already doing that for
>> spring beans configs.
>>
>>  Cheers
>>
>>
>>  On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Tihomir Surdilovic <tsurdilo at redhat.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>  I'm not sure if Guvnor is the best place for it - because assets that
>>> are stored in Guvnor are not very portable as a "unit" outside of Guvnor. I
>>> would rather make it in a way work like maven -> users can specify the
>>> "parent" repository which can be one that we provide for the community with
>>> all out-of-the-box services nodes and run mvn clean install which will
>>> build their local repo that they can expose on any public domain or server
>>> they wish, any way they wish..just my 2c.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/13/12 12:11 PM, Mauricio Salatino wrote:
>>>
>>> At some point those definitions should be stored in guvnor right? Until
>>> now I think it's just a folder with some meta-data files to define what is
>>> in there, but I think that it really make sense to put that functionality
>>> inside guvnor that is a fully fledged repository right?
>>> Guvnor already provide the APIs to push resources, and we definitely
>>> need to add a kind of workflow for resources.. but it's not there yet.
>>>
>>>  Cheers
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Giovanni Marigi <gmarigi at redhat.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I would like to know the status of service task repository;
>>>> I really appreciate the idea behind it and delivering some POC,
>>>> customers were really enthusiastic about this feature (especially its
>>>> integration with jbpm designer and BRMS) but it seems that the actual repo
>>>> doesn't have some new effort.
>>>> Will we provide API to push service tasks to the repository? I think it
>>>> should be useful to provide some mechanism to approve a new service task
>>>> before to make it public.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Giovanni
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