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Op 23-07-09 13:37, Tom Baeyens schreef:<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:4A684B7A.70603@redhat.com" type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">In addition, I'd like this 'roadmap' page to
be either kept up to date or for the most part just contain links to
the jira. </blockquote>
<br>
there is one thing out of date. that is the code freeze date. that
has been delayed to August 25th. i just updated it now.
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">The way the details of features are mentioned
there do not add anything to the fact that you can have these kinds of
reports from Jira. e.g. by using labels if we do not want to have to
many components. Going over issues that were reported lately against
4.0 is not wrong either, there might be some that can be fixed quickly
and give a positive impression of the project.
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
i don't get this part. can you elaborate ?
<br>
<br>
maybe it is not clear how we use that page. the reason for the
features being listed in the page is to organise and get an overview of
the priorities. from those priorities, the concrete roadmap issues are
created in jira. so jira is the reference for the concrete work.
<br>
</blockquote>
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I've been investigating a little and come to the following conclusion:<br>
<br>
- The jBPM 4.1 releasedate in jira is still august 14th so that is
already out of sync<br>
- The number of feature requests in the GPD in unreleased versions
(4.1, 4.2 and 4.x) is 0<br>
- <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.jboss.org/community/wiki/GWTConsoleFeatureSet">http://www.jboss.org/community/wiki/GWTConsoleFeatureSet</a> is already
'better' but can also be generated if not only the 'unreleased'
versions are taken into account (which is logical for the future) but
also the released versions. And even in this page there are differences<br>
- The number of feature requests in the jira for the engine in jBPM 4
(4.1, 4.2, 4.x) is 3. One of which is marked 'done'... This is not in
line with the wikipage. Many of the 'features' there are tasks or
something else in jira. They should be 'feature requests' there to
shouldn't they? Maybe with factual sub issues for implementation etc...
That is a clean usage of Jira. Automatic visability of version, status
etc... now that is a roadmap...<br>
<br>
An example of what you automagicallly get is: Where the second lever
sorting (within 'fix-version/s') can be on either status or priority.
So you would get (oh, and labels can be left out) <br>
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onclick="window.document.location='/jira/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?sorter/field=summary&sorter/order=ASC'"
nowrap="nowrap" width="1%"><span title="Sort By Summary"><b>Summary</b></span></td>
<td class="colHeaderOver"
onclick="window.document.location='/jira/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?sorter/field=fixVersions&sorter/order=ASC'"
nowrap="nowrap" width="1%"> <span title="Sort By Fix Version/s"><b>Fix
Version/s</b></span> <img class="sortArrow"
src="cid:part1.01080702.00040801@gmail.com"
title="Descending order - Click to sort in ascending order"></td>
<td class="colHeaderLink"
onmouseover="this.className='colHeaderOver'"
onmouseout="this.className='colHeaderLink'"
onclick="window.document.location='/jira/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?sorter/field=status&sorter/order=DESC'"
nowrap="nowrap" width="1%"> <span title="Sort By Status"><b>Status</b></span></td>
<td class="colHeaderLink"
onmouseover="this.className='colHeaderOver'"
onmouseout="this.className='colHeaderLink'"
onclick="window.document.location='/jira/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?sorter/field=customfield_12310143&sorter/order=ASC'"
nowrap="nowrap" width="1%"> <span title="Sort By Labels"><b>Labels</b></span></td>
<td class="colHeaderLink"
onmouseover="this.className='colHeaderOver'"
onmouseout="this.className='colHeaderLink'"
onclick="window.document.location='/jira/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?sorter/field=priority&sorter/order=DESC'"
nowrap="nowrap" width="1%"> <span title="Sort By Pr"><b>Pr</b></span></td>
<td class="colHeaderLink"
onmouseover="this.className='colHeaderOver'"
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onclick="window.document.location='/jira/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?sorter/field=votes&sorter/order=DESC'"
nowrap="nowrap" width="1%"> <span title="Sort By Votes"><b>Votes</b></span></td>
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<td class="nav summary"> <a
href="https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBPM-2334"
style="text-decoration: none;">make business calendar customizable and
pluggable</a> </td>
<td class="nav fixVersions"> jBPM 4.1 </td>
<td class="nav status"> <img
src="cid:part2.06090809.07050404@gmail.com" alt="Resolved"
title="Resolved - A resolution has been taken, and it is awaiting verification by reporter. From here issues are either reopened, or are closed."
height="16" width="16"> Resolved </td>
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<script
src="https://jira.jboss.org/jira/plugins/servlet/label/dwr/interface/AjaxHelper.js"
type="text/javascript"></script>
<script
src="https://jira.jboss.org/jira/plugins/servlet/label/dwr/engine.js"
type="text/javascript"></script>
<script
src="https://jira.jboss.org/jira/plugins/servlet/label/dwr/util.js"
type="text/javascript"></script> <span
id="no-link-list_12388165_customfield_12310143"> </span> <a
id="link_12388165"
href="https://jira.jboss.org/jira/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?sorter/field=fixVersions&sorter/order=DESC#"
class="inline-control-link"
onclick='showLabels("/jira", "12388165", "customfield_12310143", showEditLabelsPanel); return false;'>Edit</a>
</td>
<td class="nav priority"> <img
src="cid:part3.00040502.01070409@gmail.com" alt="Minor"
title="Minor - Minor loss of function, or other problem where easy workaround is present."
height="16" width="16" align="absmiddle" border="0"> </td>
<td class="nav votes"> 0 </td>
</tr>
<tr id="issuerow12314860" class="rowAlternate">
<td class="nav summary"> <a
href="https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBPM-165"
style="text-decoration: none;">process instance versioning</a> </td>
<td class="nav fixVersions"> jBPM 4.1 </td>
<td class="nav status"> <img
src="cid:part4.02020800.02020102@gmail.com" alt="Reopened"
title="Reopened - This issue was once resolved, but the resolution was deemed incorrect. From here issues are either marked assigned or resolved."
height="16" width="16"> Reopened </td>
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id="no-link-list_12314860_customfield_12310143"> </span> <a
id="link_12314860"
href="https://jira.jboss.org/jira/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?sorter/field=fixVersions&sorter/order=DESC#"
class="inline-control-link"
onclick='showLabels("/jira", "12314860", "customfield_12310143", showEditLabelsPanel); return false;'>Edit</a>
</td>
<td class="nav priority"> <img
src="cid:part5.05010506.06050700@gmail.com" alt="Major"
title="Major - A request that should be considered seriously but is not a show stopper."
height="16" width="16" align="absmiddle" border="0"> </td>
<td class="nav votes"> 6 </td>
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<tr id="issuerow12389818" class="rowNormal">
<td class="nav summary"> <a
href="https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBPM-2413"
style="text-decoration: none;">productize group activity</a> </td>
<td class="nav fixVersions"> jBPM 4.1 </td>
<td class="nav status"> <img
src="cid:part6.04030501.01040408@gmail.com" alt="Open"
title="Open - The issue is open and ready for the assignee to start work on it."
height="16" width="16"> Open </td>
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id="no-link-list_12389818_customfield_12310143"> </span> <a
id="link_12389818"
href="https://jira.jboss.org/jira/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?sorter/field=fixVersions&sorter/order=DESC#"
class="inline-control-link"
onclick='showLabels("/jira", "12389818", "customfield_12310143", showEditLabelsPanel); return false;'>Edit</a>
</td>
<td class="nav priority"> <img
src="cid:part5.05010506.06050700@gmail.com" alt="Major"
title="Major - A request that should be considered seriously but is not a show stopper."
height="16" width="16" align="absmiddle" border="0"> </td>
<td class="nav votes"> 0 </td>
</tr>
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<td class="nav summary"> <a
href="https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBPM-1147"
style="text-decoration: none;">iCalendar Wrapper for jBPM tasks</a> </td>
<td class="nav fixVersions"> jBPM 4.x </td>
<td class="nav status"> <img
src="cid:part2.06090809.07050404@gmail.com" alt="Resolved"
title="Resolved - A resolution has been taken, and it is awaiting verification by reporter. From here issues are either reopened, or are closed."
height="16" width="16"> Resolved </td>
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id="link_12355645"
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class="inline-control-link"
onclick='showLabels("/jira", "12355645", "customfield_12310143", showEditLabelsPanel); return false;'>Edit</a>
</td>
<td class="nav priority"> <img
src="cid:part5.05010506.06050700@gmail.com" alt="Major"
title="Major - A request that should be considered seriously but is not a show stopper."
height="16" width="16" align="absmiddle" border="0"> </td>
<td class="nav votes"> 0 </td>
</tr>
<tr id="issuerow12386026" class="rowNormal">
<td class="nav summary"> <a
href="https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBPM-2241"
style="text-decoration: none;">osgi-ify jbpm</a> </td>
<td class="nav fixVersions"> jBPM 4.x </td>
<td class="nav status"> <img
src="cid:part6.04030501.01040408@gmail.com" alt="Open"
title="Open - The issue is open and ready for the assignee to start work on it."
height="16" width="16"> Open </td>
<td class="nav customfield_12310143"><!-- Only load the scripts and styles once. --> <span
id="no-link-list_12386026_customfield_12310143"> </span> <a
id="link_12386026"
href="https://jira.jboss.org/jira/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?sorter/field=fixVersions&sorter/order=DESC#"
class="inline-control-link"
onclick='showLabels("/jira", "12386026", "customfield_12310143", showEditLabelsPanel); return false;'>Edit</a>
</td>
<td class="nav priority"> <img
src="cid:part5.05010506.06050700@gmail.com" alt="Major"
title="Major - A request that should be considered seriously but is not a show stopper."
height="16" width="16" align="absmiddle" border="0"> </td>
<td class="nav votes"> 0 </td>
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<br>
For FREE if Jira is just used in a more sensible way and not just a
technical issue registration system. <br>
<br>
Now if we'd only have a site like <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.seamframework.org">http://www.seamframework.org</a> where
they embed this kind of information on the homepage, we'd be so much
better off... Web2.0/mashups/.... give it a name. Maintaining several
different sources of information is so 2004 :-) Maybe it is time to
ressurect <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.jbpm.org">www.jbpm.org</a> just like they have seamframework.org. It's a
much more professional approach to things...<br>
<br>
Ok, enough ranting, but I hope everybody gets the picture... <br>
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