Btw, threatening me to drink Heineken really seems to motivate me ;-)<br><br>De <em>gustibus et coloribus</em> non disputandum ...<br><br>Joram<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Joram Barrez <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joram.barrez@gmail.com">joram.barrez@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">As Tom said, we went over practically every issue that was open during the last week (trust me, there are more exciting things).<br>
The issues that are currently assigned to any of us are the ones we commit ourselves to for 4.1.<br>
<br>So perhaps our mistake is not having made some statement in the dev list about the freeze, but the Grundlichkeit still is around ;-)<br><br>But thanks for keeping us alert ;-)<br><font color="#888888"><br>Joram</font><div>
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On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Tom Baeyens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tbaeyens@redhat.com" target="_blank">tbaeyens@redhat.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<br>
Ronald van Kuijk wrote:<br>
> Guys,<br>
><br>
> I hate to be the one to bring everybody back to reality after the<br>
> release, but I would hate it to see improvements that were made over the<br>
> last year slip again. Now I'm not talking about improvements in the<br>
> engine which were for the outside mostly invisible. No, I'm talking<br>
> about the much improved use of directly visible things like using the<br>
> jira, wiki etc. Thomas did a great job in that regard. Deutsche<br>
> Gründlichkeit is what we miss<br>
<br>
</div>+1.<br>
<div><br>
> Now, I'd love to take that upon me, but my free time is becomming<br>
> limited again and I think it should belong to someone directly in the<br>
<br>
</div>i'm taking lead responsibility. but it is actually a team effort.<br>
<div><br>
> project. Why do I bring this up now?<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.jboss.org/community/docs/DOC-13217" target="_blank">http://www.jboss.org/community/docs/DOC-13217</a> contains several things.<br>
> The most important being<br>
><br>
><br>
> September 1st: jBPM-4.1<br>
><br>
> *Milestone*<br>
> *Date*<br>
> Jira Freeze July 22th<br>
> Code freeze August 18th<br>
> *Release* *September 1st*<br>
><br>
><br>
> July 22th being yesterday. So this means the issue list for 4.1 is<br>
> frozen now since I assume everybody had these dates in mind. If that is<br>
> not the case, I'd like you all to go over your issues and see if they<br>
> can be fixed before august 18th. If not, assign them to the next<br>
> release, so expectations on the outside are realistic!!!<br>
<br>
</div>that has already been done. that is exactly what we spend last week on before<br>
the party. everyone committed to the issues that were taken on.<br>
<div><br>
> In addition, I'd like this 'roadmap' page to be either kept up to date<br>
> or for the most part just contain links to the jira.<br>
<br>
</div>there is one thing out of date. that is the code freeze date. that has been<br>
delayed to August 25th. i just updated it now.<br>
<div><br>
> The way the details<br>
> of features are mentioned there do not add anything to the fact that you<br>
> can have these kinds of reports from Jira. e.g. by using labels if we do<br>
> not want to have to many components. Going over issues that were<br>
> reported lately against 4.0 is not wrong either, there might be some<br>
> that can be fixed quickly and give a positive impression of the project.<br>
<br>
</div>i don't get this part. can you elaborate ?<br>
<br>
maybe it is not clear how we use that page. the reason for the features being<br>
listed in the page is to organise and get an overview of the priorities. from<br>
those priorities, the concrete roadmap issues are created in jira. so jira is<br>
the reference for the concrete work.<br>
<br>
i'll add that explanation in case that would be the cause of confusion.<br>
<div><br>
> So come on and do your housecleaning duties by obeying this order or<br>
> next time you guys all drink Heineken a full evening here in Utrecht.<br>
<br>
</div>i don't know yet what housecleaning you're referring to. but in any case, a<br>
heineken in utrechts sounds good.<br>
<br>
regards, tom.<br>
<br>
><br>
> Ronald<br>
><br>
><br>
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