Hi marco,<div>We have implemented a project that basically provides the bindings for the current module with the WS Interface proposed by WS-HT standard. Doing that we have introduced a lot of boilerplate with the data types proposed in the standard. If you take a look at the new interface that is called TaskService you will see that thats the synchronous interface with the methods that we can expose with WS or JMS(Commands like in drools), but I don't believe that the module should be a Web application. If you talk with kris about this you will find that I have a couple of pending task related with hooking up the task service to the JNDI tree to be able to be used by multiple applications for example in tomcat or jboss. </div>
<div><br></div><div>I'm open to create a project in my github account where we can play around and coordinate that effort, I also have access to a jenkings server to keep it blue. The main problem with the module human task module is that is being used and we cannot break it or change it completely. </div>
<div><br></div><div>-> <a href="https://github.com/Salaboy/human-tasks-playground">https://github.com/Salaboy/human-tasks-playground</a></div><div><br></div><div>I've already added you Marco as a collaborator.. </div>
<div>I think that the main idea will be to build a proposal to see what we can do and how we can handle the existing users.</div><div>Marco what do you think about that? what are the main goals that you want to achieve?</div>
<div>If someone else is interested in this idea please write us back.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Marco Rietveld <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mrietvel@redhat.com">mrietvel@redhat.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Mauricio, <br>
<br>
You know the code better than I do, but IMO, the infrastructure code
in that module is not okay. <br><div class="im">
<br>
> I really like the idea of having this human task module
completely decoupled from the rest of the project<br>
<br></div>
I am all for this. Would you mind hosting it on your github, then? <br>
<br>
<br>
A lot of the <i>jBPM</i> related code seems to be okay, it's mostly
how the module is set up that bothers me. <br>
<br>
It seems like it would be a better idea to implement the human-task
as a webservice war. That way, we could get rid of the server,
client and asynchronous code in the module and concentrate on the <i>jBPM</i>
stuff. The JAX-WS standard includes asynchronous webservices, and
webservices can be coupled to JMS implementations as well. <br>
<br>
For more information on JAX WS asynchronous services, please see the
following links: <br>
<ul>
<li><small><a href="http://today.java.net/pub/a/today/2006/09/19/asynchronous-jax-ws-web-services.html#asynchronous-computation-with-future-and-callback" target="_blank">http://today.java.net/pub/a/today/2006/09/19/asynchronous-jax-ws-web-services.html#asynchronous-computation-with-future-and-callback</a></small></li>
<li><small><a href="http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/wasinfo/v7r0/index.jsp?topic=%2Fcom.ibm.websphere.express.doc%2Finfo%2Fexp%2Fae%2Ftwbs_jaxwsclientasync.html" target="_blank">http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/wasinfo/v7r0/index.jsp?topic=%2Fcom.ibm.websphere.express.doc%2Finfo%2Fexp%2Fae%2Ftwbs_jaxwsclientasync.html</a></small></li>
<li><small><a href="http://biemond.blogspot.com/2011/02/building-asynchronous-web-service-with.html" target="_blank">http://biemond.blogspot.com/2011/02/building-asynchronous-web-service-with.html</a>
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</small></li>
<ul>
<li><small>(not especially about async services, but gives you
an idea of what the code looks like)</small></li>
</ul>
</ul>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Marco<br>
<br>
10/20/2011 01:27 PM, Mauricio Salatino:
<div><div></div><div class="h5"><blockquote type="cite">Hi Marco,
<div>My opinion about it is good, I mean, we need to improve the
transport layer of it, but the rest of the code is ok. If you
take a look at one of my last pull requests, it was related with
the fact that we need a synchronous interface to simplify all
the interactions and to hide all the boilerplate of async
communications. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If you want to simply things to start having more smaller and
controlled pieces I suggest you to take a look at this other
pull request: <a href="https://github.com/droolsjbpm/jbpm/pull/28" target="_blank">https://github.com/droolsjbpm/jbpm/pull/28</a></div>
<div>Which aims to split the logic that we currently have inside
the human task module into several modules with their own
dependencies. That will allow us to do internal changes, api
changes as well as transport changes in a more manageable way. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I really like the idea of having this human task module
completely decoupled from the rest of the project and I'm
willing to help as much as I can to improve it because I found
that not only jBPM can leverage the power of it.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Let's keep this discussion open so we can gather more
requirements from the people that is using it.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Cheers<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 7:19 AM, Marco
Rietveld <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mrietvel@redhat.com" target="_blank">mrietvel@redhat.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Hi guys,<br>
<br>
Having looked through the architecture of the Human-Task
module in the last month or so, I've become fairly
pessimistic about it. <br>
<br>
<br>
The biggest problem I'm seeing is that the "wheel is
reinvented" a couple times -- and the "reinvented wheels"
that are present in the Human-Task service will be a pain
to maintain/troubleshoot.<br>
<br>
The "reinvented wheels" are things like the following: <br>
<ol>
<li>The server logic
</li>
<ol>
<li>BaseJMSTaskServer, TaskServerHandler, etc. <br>
</li>
</ol>
<li>The client logic</li>
<ol>
<li>TaskClientHandler, the ResponseHandler and all
it's children classes)</li>
</ol>
<li>The asynchronous/concurrency logic</li>
<ol>
<li>AbstractBlockingResponseHandler{.waitTillDone(long)
} and every class that uses that method (and every
class that uses the class that uses that method..
etc.)<br>
<br>
</li>
</ol>
</ol>
I think my frustration with this can best be expressed by
the fact that jBPM is a process engine project -- it's not
a server project, it's not a (service) client project, and
it certainly isn't a project that supports asynchronous
communication. And yet, we're implementing all 3 in the
module. :/ <br>
<br>
<br>
Lastly, the human-task module code is the reason that the
jbpm builds (on <a href="http://hudson.jboss.org" target="_blank">hudson.jboss.org</a>)
have been failing for the last month or so. And the tests
are <u><b><i>not</i></b></u> failing because the <i>tests</i>
are wrong: the tests are failing because there's a race
condition in the code, and it occurs when you run the
human-task code on a 1. heavily loaded server that's
experiencing 2. lots of network traffic. Which is what the
<a href="http://hudson.jboss.org" target="_blank">hudson.jboss.org</a> is. <br>
<br>
<br>
I guess I'm wondering what other people's opinions about
this are! <br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Marco<br>
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