Michael, do you know if you can bootstrap the JCR container without a container? I think that it should be possible.. to have like a repository guvnor without all the UI. We should think about that option too right?<div>Cheers<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:20 PM, Michael Anstis <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michael.anstis@gmail.com">michael.anstis@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Yes, I agree largely with what you say, but to add a little balance I thought I'd respond too ;)<br><br>1) Technically, Guvnor doesn't need a J2EE server, just a Servlet container so Tomcat does the job just fine.<br>
<br>2) AFAIK, you can download individual assets source from Guvnor with the REST API. If you pushed a package file to Akamai* you have the same issue.<br><br>3) Fair point. If you don't have a single folder on Akamai* but scatter your assets across a file system you have the same issue.<br>
<br>4) OK, move the point of failure from your control to a cloud solution. Simpler, probably cheaper, but fair point.<br><br>I don't mean to start a tit-for-tat exchange, just adding some balance.<br><br>Cheerio,<br>
<br>Mike<br><br>*Other cloud providers are available.<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 13 March 2012 17:43, Tihomir Surdilovic <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tsurdilo@redhat.com" target="_blank">tsurdilo@redhat.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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I think you have very valid points. IMO just:<br>
1) There should not be a limitation exposed on users to have to have
Guvnor (and thus a J2EE server) running in order to host static
files (service repo).<br>
2) Guvnor assets are divided into packages, if you lets say have a
"serviceRepo" package and from what I can tell you say build it and
expose a pkg or zip or whatever, someone on the other end has to
understand what a pkg file is/isnot or have to know how to unzip
etc.<br>
3) If you do not have a dedicated guvnor package for your service
repo, then you need advanced logic to piece together all assets that
belong to your repo..in the same environment that your users are
developing/modelling in..not very intuitive imo.<br>
4) Let's say you want to use guvnor and this is some sort of
mission-critical service repo for you, to do this now you need a
clustering environement of J2EE server(s) and Guvnor running in a
cluster all connected to a clustered JCR repo..etc etc..instead of
just pushing your static files to akamai and call it a day :)<br>
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Thanks.<div><div><br>
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On 3/13/12 1:32 PM, Mauricio Salatino wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">Tiho, a question for you.. why guvnor cannot host a
file? I mean.. I'm not sure how Porcelli is creating the war files
for the services, but we can generate something similar right?
some meta information, some images, some configuration files, etc,
when the user or a client like eclipse want to get the
workitemhandler installed it just create a zip file with all the
required dependencies and it send that back to the client. In that
way we will gain versioning, categorization and tagging for
free..right? Plus the possibility in the future to manage that
with a workflow for approvals if we add that for all the other
resources.
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Probably I'm missing something but I don't understand what is
the Guvnor limitation to host files or descriptors, we are
already doing that for spring beans configs.</div>
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Tihomir Surdilovic <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tsurdilo@redhat.com" target="_blank">tsurdilo@redhat.com</a>></span>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> I'm not sure if
Guvnor is the best place for it - because assets that are
stored in Guvnor are not very portable as a "unit" outside
of Guvnor. I would rather make it in a way work like maven
-> users can specify the "parent" repository which can
be one that we provide for the community with all
out-of-the-box services nodes and run mvn clean install
which will build their local repo that they can expose on
any public domain or server they wish, any way they
wish..just my 2c.
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On 3/13/12 12:11 PM, Mauricio Salatino wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">At some point those
definitions should be stored in guvnor right? Until
now I think it's just a folder with some meta-data
files to define what is in there, but I think that
it really make sense to put that functionality
inside guvnor that is a fully fledged repository
right?
<div> Guvnor already provide the APIs to push
resources, and we definitely need to add a kind of
workflow for resources.. but it's not there yet.</div>
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<div>Cheers<br>
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4:08 PM, Giovanni Marigi <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gmarigi@redhat.com" target="_blank">gmarigi@redhat.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
I would like to know the status of service
task repository;<br>
I really appreciate the idea behind it and
delivering some POC, customers were really
enthusiastic about this feature (especially
its integration with jbpm designer and BRMS)
but it seems that the actual repo doesn't have
some new effort.<br>
Will we provide API to push service tasks to
the repository? I think it should be useful to
provide some mechanism to approve a new
service task before to make it public.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Giovanni<br>
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