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All good points :) <br>
I think sometimes people forget that I am a big promoter of Guvnor
and always have been. That said however Guvnor IMO is not a CMS and
is not very well suitable for HA of static content (or really HA of
any content as it is right now, I'm sure this will be much better in
the future).<br>
<br>
Thanks.<br>
<br>
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On 3/13/12 6:20 PM, Michael Anstis wrote:
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cite="mid:CAAG9P0vWwdbyk5ThUP7FnvPjYgr+y93sLy7h6ffXR7_1Uq1S7w@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Yes, I agree largely with what you say, but to add a
little balance I thought I'd respond too ;)<br>
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1) Technically, Guvnor doesn't need a J2EE server, just a Servlet
container so Tomcat does the job just fine.<br>
<br>
2) AFAIK, you can download individual assets source from Guvnor
with the REST API. If you pushed a package file to Akamai* you
have the same issue.<br>
<br>
3) Fair point. If you don't have a single folder on Akamai* but
scatter your assets across a file system you have the same issue.<br>
<br>
4) OK, move the point of failure from your control to a cloud
solution. Simpler, probably cheaper, but fair point.<br>
<br>
I don't mean to start a tit-for-tat exchange, just adding some
balance.<br>
<br>
Cheerio,<br>
<br>
Mike<br>
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*Other cloud providers are available.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 13 March 2012 17:43, Tihomir
Surdilovic <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> I think you have very
valid points. IMO just:<br>
1) There should not be a limitation exposed on users to have
to have Guvnor (and thus a J2EE server) running in order to
host static files (service repo).<br>
2) Guvnor assets are divided into packages, if you lets say
have a "serviceRepo" package and from what I can tell you
say build it and expose a pkg or zip or whatever, someone on
the other end has to understand what a pkg file is/isnot or
have to know how to unzip etc.<br>
3) If you do not have a dedicated guvnor package for your
service repo, then you need advanced logic to piece together
all assets that belong to your repo..in the same environment
that your users are developing/modelling in..not very
intuitive imo.<br>
4) Let's say you want to use guvnor and this is some sort of
mission-critical service repo for you, to do this now you
need a clustering environement of J2EE server(s) and Guvnor
running in a cluster all connected to a clustered JCR
repo..etc etc..instead of just pushing your static files to
akamai and call it a day :)<br>
<br>
Thanks.
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On 3/13/12 1:32 PM, Mauricio Salatino wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">Tiho, a question for you.. why
guvnor cannot host a file? I mean.. I'm not sure how
Porcelli is creating the war files for the services,
but we can generate something similar right? some meta
information, some images, some configuration files,
etc, when the user or a client like eclipse want to
get the workitemhandler installed it just create a zip
file with all the required dependencies and it send
that back to the client. In that way we will gain
versioning, categorization and tagging for
free..right? Plus the possibility in the future to
manage that with a workflow for approvals if we add
that for all the other resources.
<div> Probably I'm missing something but I don't
understand what is the Guvnor limitation to host
files or descriptors, we are already doing that for
spring beans configs.</div>
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<div>Cheers</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at
5:25 PM, Tihomir Surdilovic <span dir="ltr"><<a
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target="_blank">tsurdilo@redhat.com</a>></span>
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0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> I'm not
sure if Guvnor is the best place for it -
because assets that are stored in Guvnor are
not very portable as a "unit" outside of
Guvnor. I would rather make it in a way work
like maven -> users can specify the
"parent" repository which can be one that we
provide for the community with all
out-of-the-box services nodes and run mvn
clean install which will build their local
repo that they can expose on any public domain
or server they wish, any way they wish..just
my 2c.
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On 3/13/12 12:11 PM, Mauricio Salatino
wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">At some point
those definitions should be stored in
guvnor right? Until now I think it's
just a folder with some meta-data files
to define what is in there, but I think
that it really make sense to put that
functionality inside guvnor that is a
fully fledged repository right?
<div> Guvnor already provide the APIs to
push resources, and we definitely need
to add a kind of workflow for
resources.. but it's not there yet.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Cheers<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar
13, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Giovanni Marigi
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solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
I would like to know the status of
service task repository;<br>
I really appreciate the idea
behind it and delivering some POC,
customers were really enthusiastic
about this feature (especially its
integration with jbpm designer and
BRMS) but it seems that the actual
repo doesn't have some new effort.<br>
Will we provide API to push
service tasks to the repository? I
think it should be useful to
provide some mechanism to approve
a new service task before to make
it public.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Giovanni<br>
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