Let's create a new thread! <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Maciej Swiderski <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mswiders@redhat.com" target="_blank">mswiders@redhat.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>As soon as I will finish initial
version of simulation I will start working on archetypes so help
is on its way :) In the mean time we could start gathering
requirements on that - new thread on dev list?<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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On 04.08.2012 13:44, Mauricio Salatino wrote:<br>
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<div>We need a quick way to transform a test into a fully
distributable project, any Ideas? Archetypes is the way to go in
my opinion, but if I start doing that It will slow my blog
posting productivity :) I need some help please! </div>
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On 04.08.2012 13:09, Mauricio Salatino wrote:<br>
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<div>Thank you very much for your feedback!</div>
<div>I will check your notes to see if I made some
mistakes.</div>
<div>All the examples that you see in the posts has
their own test that you can run, if you want to have
a project per example we will end up with 10
different projects which will contain just one
single test.</div>
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<div>We should find a way to add this content to the
docs. I mention to marco, that as soon as the book
is published I will be focused in my blog and in the
docs, so we can start adding this kind of things. <br>
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Alright, I think soon we all will spend some time on
documentation :)
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<div>Mauricio, these posts are really good. I
like that they are kind of series that
provides more and more details and advanced
usage scenarios and what's in my opinion
most important real life examples. Great
work!<br>
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Any idea on how many posts you are going to
provide? Was wondering that it looks like
nice content to be introduced into
documentation as well. Maybe not whole posts
but sort of essence of it, as users
especially new comers will look into
documentation first and could not be aware
of our blogs, wdyt?<br>
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<div>I have two more scheduled about processes and
rules before jumping to Fusion <br>
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Fusion, me like, Do you already have some
examples/references about event aggregation, I am looking
into it for simulation so would appreciate some help here
as that is new thing to me - so I am looking forward to
the posts about it :)
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So far you have not introduced the main (in
my opinion) integration between process and
rule - business rule task, but that is
probably scheduled for next posts... However
introduction of using work item handlers
here is more than needed. That gives
opportunity to users to get a chance to get
familiar with work item handlers concept.<br>
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<div>I kinda understand your point, but the
Business Rule Task from the BPMN2 specification
perspective is more related to the Stateless
interaction mentioned in my posts. Talking with
one of the BPMN2 spec members they only think
about that kind of interaction. I think that at
some point Tiho was working in something to be
able to link a business rule task to a special
work item like that one that I was trying to
show in my examples. If that work is already
done, I will update my posts to show that
integration. I think that most of the true
advantages of having the Rule Engine are
Stateful scenarios where almost everything is
handled as Facts (which is the topic of the next
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Ok, I see and that is kind of what you described in your
post, that it is traditional approach to the integration
between process and rule worlds but it is not the case of
jBPM5 and drools (fortunately) and since we already
utilize it it's good to mention about it with comment that
it shares session (rule uses same session as process
instance).
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In the third one - great stuff is about
reactive modes - both based on fireUntilHalt
and event listeners and some pros and cons
of each solution. Have not tried the
examples myself but what could really rock
is an runnable example for each post to
conclude it.<br>
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<div>Do you have a better idea about how we can
distribute the examples? I mean, all the
examples are in my github repo. It will really
rock if we standardize this kind of things. The
archetypes that you mention some time ago will
probably help a lot :)</div>
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I was thinking to provide to each post an archive with
maven project that can be quickly downloaded and run. Of
course github is good way for those that are already using
git, but I believe that there are still quite some people
not using git out there (it's crazy I know ;)). Wdyt?
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P.S.<br>
While reading I spotted few minor things:<br>
- on first post last two process diagrams
(illustrations) shows inclusive gateway but
both text and annotations on its sequence
flows refer to/suggest exclusive gateway<br>
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<div>I need to check this.. but I probably made a
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<div> - on third post I think you meant
beforeProcessStarted method of process event
listener instead of afterProcessStarted as
when this method is called process is
already finished or reached first state node
which could be after some rules evaluation
nodes, isn't it? <br>
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<div>I need to check this specific example, but if
I've used afterProcessStarted probably was
because of the reason that you mention. I want
to execute some rules after the process reaches
the first wait state.</div>
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Ah ok, I thought more about inserting process instance
into session so I added this comment but I got your point
here and that's completely fine.
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<div>Hi guys,
<div>I've post a new article about the
process and rules integrations.</div>
<div>I'm extremely open to discuss if
this is the right way of exposing
this topics. I've found that when
people doesn't understand this
topics they end up with very
complicated architectural problems. </div>
<div>The main idea behind these posts
is to clarify from the functional
behavior what kind of things can be
done, in order to:</div>
<div>1) Gather feedback about new
features that can be introduced to
facilitate the adoption of certain
patterns</div>
<div>2) Classify in different patterns
the functional requirements to then
explain which architecture fits
better, or what kind of things the
users needs to be have in mind to
define their own architecture.</div>
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<div>After this post a set of patterns
will be described and then a set of
architectural posts will go out. At
this point feedback from the other
developers is crucial :)</div>
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<div>Cheers</div>
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