Totally agree with having downloadable projects..<div>We need a quick way to transform a test into a fully distributable project, any Ideas? Archetypes is the way to go in my opinion, but if I start doing that It will slow my blog posting productivity :) I need some help please! </div>
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<div>Thank you very much for your feedback!</div>
<div>I will check your notes to see if I made some mistakes.</div>
<div>All the examples that you see in the posts has their own test
that you can run, if you want to have a project per example we
will end up with 10 different projects which will contain just
one single test.</div>
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<div>We should find a way to add this content to the docs. I
mention to marco, that as soon as the book is published I will
be focused in my blog and in the docs, so we can start adding
this kind of things. <br>
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Alright, I think soon we all will spend some time on documentation
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<div>Mauricio, these posts are really good. I like that
they are kind of series that provides more and more
details and advanced usage scenarios and what's in my
opinion most important real life examples. Great work!<br>
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Any idea on how many posts you are going to provide? Was
wondering that it looks like nice content to be
introduced into documentation as well. Maybe not whole
posts but sort of essence of it, as users especially new
comers will look into documentation first and could not
be aware of our blogs, wdyt?<br>
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<div>I have two more scheduled about processes and rules
before jumping to Fusion <br>
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Fusion, me like, Do you already have some examples/references about
event aggregation, I am looking into it for simulation so would
appreciate some help here as that is new thing to me - so I am
looking forward to the posts about it :)<div class="im"><br>
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So far you have not introduced the main (in my opinion)
integration between process and rule - business rule
task, but that is probably scheduled for next posts...
However introduction of using work item handlers here is
more than needed. That gives opportunity to users to get
a chance to get familiar with work item handlers
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<div>I kinda understand your point, but the Business Rule Task
from the BPMN2 specification perspective is more related to
the Stateless interaction mentioned in my posts. Talking
with one of the BPMN2 spec members they only think about
that kind of interaction. I think that at some point Tiho
was working in something to be able to link a business rule
task to a special work item like that one that I was trying
to show in my examples. If that work is already done, I will
update my posts to show that integration. I think that most
of the true advantages of having the Rule Engine are
Stateful scenarios where almost everything is handled as
Facts (which is the topic of the next posts).</div>
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Ok, I see and that is kind of what you described in your post, that
it is traditional approach to the integration between process and
rule worlds but it is not the case of jBPM5 and drools (fortunately)
and since we already utilize it it's good to mention about it with
comment that it shares session (rule uses same session as process
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In the third one - great stuff is about reactive modes -
both based on fireUntilHalt and event listeners and some
pros and cons of each solution. Have not tried the
examples myself but what could really rock is an
runnable example for each post to conclude it.<br>
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<div>Do you have a better idea about how we can distribute the
examples? I mean, all the examples are in my github repo.
It will really rock if we standardize this kind of things.
The archetypes that you mention some time ago will probably
help a lot :)</div>
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I was thinking to provide to each post an archive with maven project
that can be quickly downloaded and run. Of course github is good way
for those that are already using git, but I believe that there are
still quite some people not using git out there (it's crazy I know
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P.S.<br>
While reading I spotted few minor things:<br>
- on first post last two process diagrams
(illustrations) shows inclusive gateway but both text
and annotations on its sequence flows refer to/suggest
exclusive gateway<br>
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<div>I need to check this.. but I probably made a mistake
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beforeProcessStarted method of process event listener
instead of afterProcessStarted as when this method is
called process is already finished or reached first
state node which could be after some rules evaluation
nodes, isn't it? <br>
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<div>I need to check this specific example, but if I've used
afterProcessStarted probably was because of the reason that
you mention. I want to execute some rules after the process
reaches the first wait state.</div>
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Ah ok, I thought more about inserting process instance into session
so I added this comment but I got your point here and that's
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On 29.07.2012 14:14, Mauricio Salatino wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi guys,
<div>I've post a new article about the process and
rules integrations.</div>
<div>I'm extremely open to discuss if this is the
right way of exposing this topics. I've found that
when people doesn't understand this topics they
end up with very complicated architectural
problems. </div>
<div>The main idea behind these posts is to clarify
from the functional behavior what kind of things
can be done, in order to:</div>
<div>1) Gather feedback about new features that can
be introduced to facilitate the adoption of
certain patterns</div>
<div>2) Classify in different patterns the
functional requirements to then explain which
architecture fits better, or what kind of things
the users needs to be have in mind to define their
own architecture.</div>
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<div><a href="http://blog.athico.com/2012/07/processes-rules-or-rules-processes-3x.html" target="_blank">http://blog.athico.com/2012/07/processes-rules-or-rules-processes-3x.html</a></div>
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<div>After this post a set of patterns will be
described and then a set of architectural posts
will go out. At this point feedback from the other
developers is crucial :)</div>
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<div>Cheers</div>
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- MyJourney @ <a href="http://salaboy.wordpress.com" target="_blank">http://salaboy.wordpress.com</a>
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