And we should think about having a component that can be used outside the process designer as well.<div><br></div><div>When you say transformations what do you mean? </div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Tihomir Surdilovic <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tsurdilo@redhat.com" target="_blank">tsurdilo@redhat.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>Agreed, Designer already supports
transformations to do what you are asking for, but the data
editors should allow users to use this feature better. Will look
at it.<br>
<br>
Thanks<div><div class="h5"><br>
On 8/16/12 7:06 AM, Mauricio Salatino wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Just a quick comment about mapping data,
<div>I think that we need a specialized component to do that,
because is a cross cutting concern. </div>
<div>No matter if we are mapping task inputs and task outputs or a
form field, we need a graphical mapping component to take care
of that.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We need a graphical way to do something like</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Input: Person -----> Person.name ---- <mapped to>
----> name</div>
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<div>and the other way around</div>
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<br>
</div>
<div>Output Person.name <----<mapped to>--- name</div>
<div><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 11:20 AM,
Tihomir Surdilovic <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tsurdilo@redhat.com" target="_blank">tsurdilo@redhat.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>There are a number of ideas floating around on this -
and yes data mapping within a BPMN2 process is probably
now one of the hardest things to set up and maintain. <br>
<br>
a) Have ability to map data outputs of a task to data
inputs of the connected tasks(s) with a single button
click<br>
b) Ability to visualize the data flow of the process<br>
c) Notifications of dependency errors when users decide
to remove a process var, globals, imports, etc<br>
d) Ability to "copy" existing data elements such as
variables/globals/imports/etc from an already existing
process or a process template..this has been asked in
the community already and we are looking at it.<br>
<br>
jBPM follows the BPMN2 specification for data setup and
mapping closely which is a good thing as it does not
introduce any wrappers around it (you might see other
tools use extensions elements for this heavily). I don't
think writing wrappers is a good idea, however making
working with data as simple and intuitive as possible
for users is very important so any
ideas/thoughts/contributions are very welcome :)<br>
<br>
Jean-Jacques, If you want to jump on IRC and I'd be
happy to talk to you in detail about all of this as
well.<br>
<br>
Thanks.<br>
Tihomir<br>
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On 8/16/12 3:38 AM, Esteban Aliverti wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">The problem is that BPMN2
specification requires the variables to be defined.
<div>What you will need to do is to modify Designer to
automatically create the required variables according
to the IO specification of the tasks you have.
Unfortunately this is not as easy as it sounds ;).</div>
<div>Designer keeps a representation of the process in
JSON format. That JSON is then converted into BPMN2
when it is saved. When you open a process Designer
first converts it from BPMN2 to JSNO back again. </div>
<div>You will need to tweak the
Marshalling/Unmarshalling process..</div>
<div>The classes in charge of this are:
org/jbpm/designer/bpmn2/impl/Bpmn2JsonMarshaller.java
and
java/org/jbpm/designer/bpmn2/impl/Bpmn2JsonUnmarshaller.java<br clear="all">
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@Tiho, do you see a better solution?</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 5:10
AM, Jean-Jacques Borie <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jean-jacques.borie@bluebe.com" target="_blank">jean-jacques.borie@bluebe.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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need to add that we plan to use work item
definition file to declare parameters of work item
and we don't want to do it again on the workflow.<span><font color="#888888"><br>
<br>
Jean-Jacques</font></span>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 16, 2012
at 10:06 AM, Jean-Jacques Borie <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jean-jacques.borie@bluebe.com" target="_blank">jean-jacques.borie@bluebe.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hello,<br>
<br>
I want to simplify Oryx designer in order
to don't have to map every variables with
input/output of task.<br>
<br>
I want to remove the need of declaring
global variable and the mapping with
parameter of task.<br>
<br>
When you have lots of workflow, it's start
to be very annoying.<br>
<br>
I'm thinking of moving this declaration of
mapping to do it at runtime.<br>
<br>
Like having a spring configuration file to
declare all variables needed for a series
of workflow.<br>
<br>
And next do the mapping of variable by IOC
with work item or something like that.<br>
<br>
I want to keep the scope variable between
process and work item.<br>
<br>
I want to make easier the work of people
doing the workflow in order to give the
tool for non developer.<br>
<br>
Any idea ?<br>
<br>
Thanks<span><font color="#888888"><br>
Jean-Jacques Borie<br>
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