<p>"Maybe JBoss doesn't want an exclusively private list as one of the list options, but I know Sun does. I'll leave it for other EG members to respond"</p>
<p>Where does this leave people like me?</p>
<p>Lincoln Baxter III<br>
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Keep it simple.</p>
<p><blockquote type="cite">On Nov 13, 2009 4:08 PM, "Ed Burns" <<a href="mailto:Ed.Burns@sun.com">Ed.Burns@sun.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>>>>>> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:54:45 -0500, Dan Allen <<a href="mailto:dan.j.allen@gmail.com">dan.j.allen@gmail.com</a>> said:<br>
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DA> Now back to this question: *So what replaces JSR-314-OPEN then? *<br>
DA> There are two issues here:<br>
<br>
DA> 1. What happens to the current archives of JSR-314-OPEN?<br>
DA> 2. What list do we use in the future?<br>
<br>
DA> Unless there are any objections here, Max has agreed to import all<br>
DA> the archives from March 09 until now into the jsr-314-public forum<br>
DA> on Monday. This will make them immediately accessible to the public<br>
DA> and search engines. We have the option of closing the replies on<br>
DA> the threads. *I'm not sure what the right answer is there.*<br>
<br>
I'm fine with this migration and feel no need to close replies on the<br>
threads.<br>
<br>
DA> We can import the discussions into our list as well. Then, the two<br>
DA> lists will continue on their own paths.<br>
<br>
DA> That brings us to the second question, what is our list?<br>
<br>
DA> We certainly don't need both <a href="mailto:jsr-314-eg@jcp.org">jsr-314-eg@jcp.org</a> and<br>
DA> <a href="mailto:jsr-314-observers@jcp.org">jsr-314-observers@jcp.org</a>.<br>
<br>
I don't know about that, but I do know we need <a href="mailto:jsr-314-eg@jcp.org">jsr-314-eg@jcp.org</a> to be<br>
an EG private email list. Contractual discussions regarding licenses<br>
and other topics that vendors feel sensitive about discussing openly<br>
need a place to happen. <a href="mailto:jsr-314-eg@jcp.org">jsr-314-eg@jcp.org</a> has been and will continue<br>
to be that place.<br>
<br>
DA> And since we don't want a exclusively private list, that leaves us<br>
DA> with <a href="mailto:jsr-314-observers@jcp.org">jsr-314-observers@jcp.org</a>.<br>
<br>
Maybe JBoss doesn't want an exclusively private list as one of the list<br>
options, but I know Sun does. I'll leave it for other EG members to<br>
respond.<br>
<br>
DA> It's not ideal, but we could probably live with PMO manually adding<br>
DA> invited members to this list (to post). They claim that we are not<br>
DA> restricted in who we choose to invite, so at least the policy is<br>
DA> correct.<br>
<br>
DA> However, the showstopper for jsr-314-observers@jcp is that the<br>
DA> archives are not public for reading.<br>
<br>
DA> We can adopt <a href="mailto:jsr-314-observers@jcp.org">jsr-314-observers@jcp.org</a> as soon as there is a public<br>
DA> forum for it on <a href="http://jcp.org" target="_blank">jcp.org</a>. I'd like to get this resolved ASAP so we<br>
DA> can get off this list.<br>
<br>
DA> That concludes my update. I suspect there will be plenty of<br>
DA> discussion to follow. In summary, here are the action items for Max:<br>
<br>
DA> 1. Posts to <a href="mailto:jsr-314-public@jcp.org">jsr-314-public@jcp.org</a> should be sent out via e-mail.<br>
DA> 2. Posting via <a href="mailto:jsr-314-public@jcp.org">jsr-314-public@jcp.org</a> needs to be fixed<br>
DA> 3. <a href="mailto:jsr-314-comments@jcp.org">jsr-314-comments@jcp.org</a> should be aliased to <a href="mailto:jsr-314-public@jcp.org">jsr-314-public@jcp.org</a><br>
DA> 4. archives for <a href="mailto:jsr-314-observers@jcp.org">jsr-314-observers@jcp.org</a> needs to be publically accesable<br>
DA> 5. JSR-314-OPEN archives should be imported into jsr-314-observers and<br>
DA> jsr-314-public<br>
<br>
Thanks for scratching your itch on this Dan. Your advocacy for<br>
open-ness fits in with the continuing push of JCP to be more open.<br>
<br>
Ed<br>
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