[keycloak-dev] Authorization Code Flow as Default for Javascript?

Wed Jul 20 03:16:46 EDT 2016

Using authorization code flow with public clients in Keycloak:

* Allows short expiration on access tokens
* Our JavaScript adapter doesn't store the refresh token and it's only kept
in memory for the specific tab
* Refresh tokens are tied to a session which have idle timeout

Access token is set to expire in 5 min by default, but a lot of damage can
still be done in 5 min so it needs to be kept secure. Refresh token is
obviously worse as it, but by default the user session will expire if idle
for 30 min so all refresh tokens will be invalid shortly after the user
leaves the browser.

Google for instance issues an access token with 60 minutes expiration this
is far worse than what we do in Keycloak as the token can't be revoked.
Applications are not required to check with Google if the token is still
valid, so there's a window of 60 minutes where it would be rather hard to
block miss-use. It's actually common for social networks at least to issue
fairly long expiration times (an hour or so) when using the implicit flow.

You could in theory use an embedded iframe to obtain a new access token
once it's expired, but this is relatively tricky to get right as there's
quite a lot of potentially vulnerabilities which is why we by default block
all use of iframes. Any malicious injected code that manages to get the
refresh token from the tab window would also be able to use the embedded
iframe to obtain a new access token.

There is a spec that allows authenticating public clients. I couldn't find
it right now, but probably something worth considering to add.

On 18 July 2016 at 19:19, Josh Cain <josh.cain at redhat.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the quick response Stian!  Still getting my feet wet with OIDC,
> so please bear with me as I try to reconcile what I'm reading @ the spec
> with the Keycloak implementation.  A few questions on your response:
>
> You say that it's 'usual' for these access tokens to have a long lifespan
> with implicit flow.  How does that interact with the general guideline in
> section 16.18 of the spec when it says:
>
> Access Tokens might not be revocable by the Authorization Server. Access
>> Token lifetimes SHOULD therefore be kept to single use or very short
>> lifetimes.
>
>
> I would agree that a long-lived refresh token is indeed much preferred to
> doing something like extending the lifetime of an access token.  However,
> is 'the OAuth redirect dance' the only alternative?  I know that Keycloak's
> identity/session cookies will have been issued at this point - would it be
> possible to use something like an iFrame to refresh a short-lived access
> token?
>

> Josh Cain | Software Applications Engineer
> *Identity and Access Management*
> *Red Hat*
> +1 843-737-1735
>
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 1:37 AM, Stian Thorgersen <sthorger at redhat.com>
> wrote:
>
>> With Implicit flow it's usual to have a long expiration on access tokens
>> as there is no refresh token. Once the access token is expired you're left
>> with having to do the whole OAuth redirect dance again to obtain a new
>> token. What's even worse is that if you have long lived access tokens
>> there's potentially a longer time between the verification of
>> the access token directly with Keycloak, which means that an access token
>> could potentially be used long after the session has been removed.
>>
>> With that in mind having short lived access tokens with a refresh token
>> is better in our opinion even for public clients.
>>
>> On 12 July 2016 at 19:22, Josh Cain <josh.cain at redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> We're looking to start rolling the Keycloak OIDC flow out to some
>>> client-side Javascript applications, and I came across a question in coming
>>> up to speed on OIDC.  You state in your docs
>>> <https://keycloak.gitbooks.io/securing-client-applications-guide/content/v/2.0/topics/oidc/javascript-adapter.html>
>>> that the Javascript adapter is intended for client-side use:
>>>
>>> Keycloak comes with a client-side JavaScript library that can be used to
>>>> secure HTML5/JavaScript applications.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The docs also state that the default flow for this adapter is the
>>> Authorization Code flow:
>>>
>>> By default, the JavaScript adapter uses the Authorization Code
>>>> <http://openid.net/specs/openid-connect-core-1_0.html#CodeFlowAuth>
>>>> flow.
>>>>
>>>
>>> However, the OIDC spec
>>> <http://openid.net/specs/openid-connect-core-1_0.html> says (section
>>> 3.1):
>>>
>>> ...The Authorization Code flow is suitable for Clients that can securely
>>>> maintain a Client Secret between themselves and the Authorization Server.
>>>>
>>>
>>> And again echoes the sentiment using the non-requisite MAY language in
>>> section 15.4:
>>>
>>> In general, it is up to Relying Parties which features they use when
>>>> interacting with OpenID Providers. However, some choices are dictated by
>>>> the nature of their OAuth Client, such as whether it is a Confidential
>>>> Client, capable of keeping secrets, in which case the Authorization Code
>>>> Flow may be appropriate, or whether it is a Public Client, for instance, a
>>>> User Agent Based Application or a statically registered Native Application,
>>>> in which case the Implicit Flow may be appropriate.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm aware that public clients who do not present a client secret are
>>> allowed under the OAuth spec <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6749>, and
>>> that these are often the type of javascript client that Keycloak sets up
>>> with the authorization code flow.  What's more, I understand that the
>>> client secret is most commonly the reason cited for the client/server
>>> distinction with respect to flows.
>>>
>>> However, I was curious as to why the authorization code flow remains the
>>> default setting for Javascript applications.  Isn't the refresh token also
>>> considered a form of a 'secret' since it's a long-lived mechanism whereby
>>> additional access/identity tokens can be retrieved?  Why would the default
>>> setting *not* be implicit here?  Could you help me understand why the
>>> authorization code flow was chosen as the default?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>
>>> Josh Cain | Software Applications Engineer
>>> *Identity and Access Management*
>>> *Red Hat*
>>> +1 843-737-1735
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> keycloak-dev mailing list
>>> keycloak-dev at lists.jboss.org
>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/keycloak-dev
>>>
>>
>>
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: http://lists.jboss.org/pipermail/keycloak-dev/attachments/20160720/ea736007/attachment.html 