<div dir="ltr">Integration tests have many disguises, some are good others are bad. As Keycloak is not a framework or set of libraries, but a ready to use service it&#39;s a lot more important that we test the real thing than test individual bits and pieces.<div><br></div><div>I agree it wouldn&#39;t hurt to have unit tests as well, but they are generally a pain to maintain. Especially if you want to refactor something. Mocks make things even worse in that regard. Personally I see unit tests and mocks more as a great development tool than actual quality assurance. End of the day what you care about is that your login page and your rest services behaves as expected there&#39;s just no need for unit tests.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 27 October 2015 at 04:26, Stan Silvert <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ssilvert@redhat.com" target="_blank">ssilvert@redhat.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <div>You should never use mocks again.  I
      elaborated on this topic in Bill&#39;s blog several years ago and he
      wrote a followup article:<br>
      <a href="http://bill.burkecentral.com/2012/05/01/mocks-are-a-mockery/" target="_blank">http://bill.burkecentral.com/2012/05/01/mocks-are-a-mockery/</a><div><div class="h5"><br>
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      On 10/27/2015 4:41 AM, Andrzej Goławski wrote:<br>
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        <div>&quot;For example for federation, you need realm and user DB and
          you need to have realm configured with federation Provider&quot;</div>
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        <div>In such cases you can use mocks, stubs and object
          factories.</div>
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        <div>&quot;There is not much you can test within single module&quot;</div>
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        <div>IMHO there are still few things which would be nice to
          test. Look at the first class in the module LDAP Config for
          example. There are few comments suggesting refactoring it in
          the feature. I find refactoring single class or classes with
          heavy integration test painful and insufficient. Look at
          spring framework code. There are plenty of small unit tests
          which test only one thing so that it is really well tested as
          a whole! I think good testing is especially important in case
          of open source -  where everybody adds some code. For instance
          me :) For me LDAP it is a new topic, but I would like to add
          some code to this part ... so I expect to make o a lot of
          mistakes :D</div>
        <div>&quot;Btv. what&#39;s your plan for KEYCLOAK-1797&quot;</div>
        <div>And now the hardest  part :) As I said, I&#39;m new in this
          topic (LDAP) so I decided to wrap my head around it for a
          while - can you reccommend me any reading materials suitable
          for beginners?</div>
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        <div>&quot;And in your LDAP environment, is it often that new role is
          added as member to some other roles?&quot;</div>
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        <div>No .. but it is critical in my company. </div>
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        <div>&quot;I wonder if we need to always do &quot;deep&quot; search in runtime,
          or if we can instead do it just at some point and rely on
          Keycloak composite roles . If you always need deep search and
          do something based on it, it will be good to have a flag in
          configuration, which will allow to disable it (for performance
          reasons).&quot;</div>
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        <div>Thank you for the hint :) I couldn&#39;t agree more. </div>
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          <div style="font-size:13px"> Andrzej</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">2015-10-26 14:11 GMT+01:00 Marek
          Posolda <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mposolda@redhat.com" target="_blank">mposolda@redhat.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
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              <div>We prefer integration tests as you usually need more
                things to have available. For example for federation,
                you need realm and user DB and you need to have realm
                configured with federationProvider. There is not much
                you can test within single module, so we have just very
                simple tests in individual modules (like LDAPDnTest or
                PasswordPolicyTest), but most of the stuff is tested in
                testsuite. For KEYCLOAK-1797 I prefer to take a look at
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                  and possibly add new test methods here.<br>
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                  Btv. what&#39;s your plan for KEYCLOAK-1797 ? And in your
                  LDAP environment, is it often that new role is added
                  as member to some other roles? I wonder if we need to
                  always do &quot;deep&quot; search in runtime, or if we can
                  instead do it just at some point and rely on Keycloak
                  composite roles . If you always need deep search and
                  do something based on it, it will be good to have a
                  flag in configuration, which will allow to disable it
                  (for performance reasons).<span><font color="#888888"><br>
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                      Marek<br>
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                  <div>On 26/10/15 08:55, Andrzej Goławski
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                      <div>Hi Marek,</div>
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                      <div>Thanks for reply!</div>
                      <div>I saw those test, but personally I prefer
                        unit tests over integrated tests:)</div>
                      <div>I really recommend this: <a href="https://vimeo.com/80533536" target="_blank">https://vimeo.com/80533536</a></div>
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                      <div>Best Regards,</div>
                      <div> Andrzej</div>
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                      <div class="gmail_quote">2015-10-26 8:41 GMT+01:00
                        Marek Posolda <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mposolda@redhat.com" target="_blank">mposolda@redhat.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
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                            <div>Hi,<br>
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                              most of the tests are in the
                              testsuite/integration or
                              testsuite/integration-arquillian, not in
                              the modules itself. For the federation and
                              ldap, you can take a look especially to
                              package org.keycloak.testsuite.federation
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                              Marek <br>
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                                  On 25/10/15 21:51, Andrzej Goławski
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                                    <div>Hi everyone!</div>
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                                    <div>I decided to implement
                                      KEYCLOAK-1797 and started to look
                                      at the code (federation/ldap). I
                                      noticed lack of unit tests without
                                      which refactoring may be very
                                      error prone. I like writing test
                                      so I can write tests for that
                                      part. What are you thinking about
                                      it??</div>
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                                      <div>Best Regards,</div>
                                      <div> Andrzej</div>
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