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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 27.11.2015 12:28, Stian Thorgersen
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          <div class="gmail_quote">On 27 November 2015 at 12:16,
            Vlastimil Elias <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
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                  <div>On 27.11.2015 11:45, Stian Thorgersen wrote:<br>
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                        <div class="gmail_quote">On 27 November 2015 at
                          10:23, Vlastimil Elias <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
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                            I have two proposals for cleanup of 'Change
                            password' screen in Account<br>
                            app based on my experience with it:<br>
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                            1. remove Cancel button - it has no any
                            meaning on this screen/form, it<br>
                            only reshowns form with empty fields. And
                            also there is a bug,<br>
                            "Password" field is hidden when it is used,
                            which makes whole form unusable.<br>
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                          <div>+1</div>
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                </span> OK, I'm going to create JIRA and provide PR for
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                            2. remove validation of current password
                            (remove "Password" field). Two<br>
                            reasons for this:<br>
                               - security impact of this check is small.
                            If attacker is able to<br>
                            compromise Account app then he can always
                            change email and then use<br>
                            "Forgot password" feature to change password<br>
                               - user created over Identity Provider do
                            not know old password<br>
                            (because it is not set) so he is not able to
                            set password using this screen<br>
                            After we implement support for
                            reauthentication (KEYCLOAK-2076) then we<br>
                            should set some reasonable reauth timeout
                            for Account app instead, this<br>
                            will make it more secure at all.<br>
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                          <div>-1 Reset password over email may not be
                            enabled at all. We already allow setting
                            password for IdPs login without requiring
                            the existing password.</div>
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                </span> Fair enough<span class=""><br>
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                          <div>+1 To suggestion from Thomas - we should
                            ask for password when updating email at
                            least when recover password over email is
                            enabled.</div>
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                </span> Makes sense, but what to do if user has no
                password set at this point? Don't ask him, or
                reauthenticate him by other available mechanism?<br>
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                And there are also other "dangerous" operations in
                Account app. Eg. attacker who gains access to it can
                disable OTP without any recheck. This should be
                protected too.<br>
                I believe whole Account app should be correctly
                protected by reauthentications. Question is if implement
                it somehow specifically in the app, or resolve this
                generally as part of KEYCLOAK-2076.</div>
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            <div>Yep, you're right there's other dangerous operations as
              well. Re-authentication sounds like the correct approach,
              rather than requesting the password again. We could have
              two configurable timeouts in account management console.
              One that requires re-auth for anything (~30 min default),
              and another that requires re-auth for sensitive operations
              (~5 min).</div>
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            <div>One thing with re-auth is that if it happens when a
              user submits a form, you then someone have to also
              remember the values of the form. Currently account
              management is stateless.</div>
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    Yep, implementing reauthentication schemes correctly in client apps
    may be tricky, mainly for POST requests (and even worse posts with
    file upload) and AJAX call handlers etc. <br>
    Beside Keycloak Account app we should try to provide reasonable
    support in Keycloak adapters, but it may be tricky as related Java
    EE specifications (JAAS subsystems, auth related things in Java
    Servlet and EJB spec ) do not count with these more complicated
    schemes too much.<br>
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    And I also thought if reauthentication scheme should be somehow
    implemented on REST API levels also.<br>
    Eg. some REST endpoint operation will define that it needs reauth
    with some timeout. If client app call it with Bearer token then it
    should be able to tests last auth timestamp (which should be
    possible as it may be in the token as claim) and propagate back info
    that it needs reauth (how to map this to HTTP?). Support for this
    should be added to the framework like RestEasy then.<br>
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                          <div>It seems to be common practice to ask for
                            current password when updating the existing
                            password.</div>
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                            If you agree then I can create JIRA issue
                            for this and provide PR.<br>
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                                Vlastimil<br>
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                                Vlastimil Elias<br>
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