[keycloak-user] Authenticate user without using login page

Rodrigo Sasaki rodrigopsasaki at gmail.com
Fri Jul 25 12:21:12 EDT 2014 

Just one more thing that wasn't completely clear to me.

if I add a login page on an iframe, the user will be logged normally? Or
would I have to get a token and keep managing it?


On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 10:42 AM, Rodrigo Sasaki <rodrigopsasaki at gmail.com>
wrote:

> That idea actually sounds amazing, I didn't look into keycloak.js yet, but
> I'll see if I can get it working before I think about styling.
>
> Thank you very much!
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 10:38 AM, Stian Thorgersen <stian at redhat.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I think we could quite easily add support for embedding the login page to
>> keycloak.js. Rough idea:
>>
>> 1. Set an option on keycloak.js to use embedded login form. Would also
>> require setting an id for a div where the form should be embedded.
>> 2. When clicking on login instead of redirecting it would render an
>> iframe element inside the configured div with the src of the iframe being
>> the login page on Keycloak
>> 3. The redirect-uri would be a special url on Keycloak that renders a
>> similar page to the iframe session page that allows posting a message back
>> to keycloak.js containing the code
>> 4. Now keycloak.js can swap the code as usual
>>
>> One thing is that we'd probably need an additional styling of the login
>> form, as you would want the login page to display differently when embedded
>> compared to when you redirect to it.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Stian Thorgersen" <stian at redhat.com>
>> > To: "Bill Burke" <bburke at redhat.com>
>> > Cc: keycloak-user at lists.jboss.org
>> > Sent: Friday, 25 July, 2014 2:30:44 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] Authenticate user without using login page
>> >
>> > The cookies should be set fine, as the iframe would contain the login
>> page
>> > directly from Keycloak.
>> >
>> > It would redirect to a special page on the app that after extracting
>> the code
>> > would close the popup.
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "Bill Burke" <bburke at redhat.com>
>> > > To: "Stian Thorgersen" <stian at redhat.com>, "Rodrigo Sasaki"
>> > > <rodrigopsasaki at gmail.com>
>> > > Cc: keycloak-user at lists.jboss.org
>> > > Sent: Friday, 25 July, 2014 2:23:14 PM
>> > > Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] Authenticate user without using login
>> page
>> > >
>> > > not sure this will work with SSO.  I'm not sure CORS requests can deal
>> > > with cookies.
>> > >
>> > > On 7/25/2014 9:21 AM, Stian Thorgersen wrote:
>> > > > What about using an iframe in the popup to include the login form
>> from
>> > > > Keycloak?
>> > > >
>> > > > You can send a HTTP POST to
>> /auth-server/<realm>/tokens/grants/access
>> > > > with
>> > > > client id/secret and username/password and get a token back. With
>> > > > keycloak.js you can give it this token, not sure how/if this flow
>> works
>> > > > with the server-side (Undertow) adapter.
>> > > >
>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > >> From: "Rodrigo Sasaki" <rodrigopsasaki at gmail.com>
>> > > >> To: "Stian Thorgersen" <stian at redhat.com>
>> > > >> Cc: "Bill Burke" <bburke at redhat.com>,
>> keycloak-user at lists.jboss.org
>> > > >> Sent: Friday, 25 July, 2014 2:08:43 PM
>> > > >> Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] Authenticate user without using login
>> page
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Actually, the main problem is one of the flows where the password
>> > > >> request
>> > > >> appears in a popup, there's no redirect at all, and one of the
>> things
>> > > >> that
>> > > >> were agreed upon when decided to change the authentication
>> provider, was
>> > > >> that nothing would be altered in the user experience.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> So I really have to try and make keycloak "fit in" in these
>> particular
>> > > >> scenarios, they are not used as much as the ones where we'll use
>> the
>> > > >> keycloak login page with our own style, but I do have to make them
>> work.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> When you say I could use direct grant to get a token, would that
>> count
>> > > >> as
>> > > >> the same as an user logging in? It's not really clear to me right
>> now
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >> On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Stian Thorgersen <
>> stian at redhat.com>
>> > > >> wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >>> Yes, but I'm wondering why the following won't work:
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> 1. Ask for users email (in your app, not KC)
>> > > >>> 2. Once you get to the flow where a user has to login:
>> > > >>>     a) If user doesn't exist in KC (you can use admin endpoints to
>> > > >>>     check
>> > > >>> this) redirect to registration page on KC with email already
>> entered
>> > > >>>     b) If user does exist in KC redirect to login page again with
>> email
>> > > >>> already entered
>> > > >>> 3. Redirect back to app
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> > > >>>> From: "Bill Burke" <bburke at redhat.com>
>> > > >>>> To: "Stian Thorgersen" <stian at redhat.com>, "Rodrigo Sasaki" <
>> > > >>> rodrigopsasaki at gmail.com>
>> > > >>>> Cc: keycloak-user at lists.jboss.org
>> > > >>>> Sent: Friday, 25 July, 2014 1:48:45 PM
>> > > >>>> Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] Authenticate user without using
>> login
>> > > >>>> page
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> It is because their first login screen is just something asking
>> for an
>> > > >>>> email.  If the email doesn't exist as a user, they want a
>> redirect to
>> > > >>>> the register page.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> On 7/25/2014 5:08 AM, Stian Thorgersen wrote:
>> > > >>>>> Yes, you can use the direct grant to retrieve a token.
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> I'd like to know why redirecting to the login form, when styled
>> to
>> > > >>> match
>> > > >>>>> your website, and using login_hint to pre-fill username/email
>> doesn't
>> > > >>>>> work. Maybe there's something we can do so that you can still
>> use the
>> > > >>>>> "proper" flow?
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> > > >>>>>> From: "Rodrigo Sasaki" <rodrigopsasaki at gmail.com>
>> > > >>>>>> To: "Stian Thorgersen" <stian at redhat.com>
>> > > >>>>>> Cc: "Bill Burke" <bburke at redhat.com>,
>> keycloak-user at lists.jboss.org
>> > > >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, 24 July, 2014 6:13:17 PM
>> > > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] Authenticate user without using
>> login
>> > > >>> page
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> Sorry to keep insisting on this, but since it's being a huge
>> > > >>> showstopper
>> > > >>>>>> so
>> > > >>>>>> far, I just have to ask.
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> If I don't mind trading off SSO and all the other benefits
>> that the
>> > > >>>>>> Keycloak login page provides me, would there be a way for me
>> to do
>> > > >>> what I
>> > > >>>>>> want?
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 5:44 AM, Stian Thorgersen <
>> stian at redhat.com>
>> > > >>>>>> wrote:
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> We could add support for login_hint query param so you can
>> have the
>> > > >>>>>>> username/email field on the login form pre-filled for the
>> user, so
>> > > >>> once a
>> > > >>>>>>> user has to authenticate you redirect to login on KC and all
>> they
>> > > >>> would
>> > > >>>>>>> have to do is enter their password.
>> > > >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> If you bypass the login forms you'd loose SSO, multi-factor
>> > > >>>>>>> support,
>> > > >>>>>>> required actions, recover password, etc, etc, etc..
>> > > >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> As Bill mentioned we provide very flexible login forms that
>> can be
>> > > >>>>>>> templated using either just css or even FreeMarker templates
>> if you
>> > > >>> need
>> > > >>>>>>> a
>> > > >>>>>>> lot of customization, so you should be able to make the login
>> form
>> > > >>>>>>> integrate well with your website.
>> > > >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> > > >>>>>>>> From: "Rodrigo Sasaki" <rodrigopsasaki at gmail.com>
>> > > >>>>>>>> To: "Bill Burke" <bburke at redhat.com>
>> > > >>>>>>>> Cc: keycloak-user at lists.jboss.org
>> > > >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, 17 July, 2014 6:52:08 PM
>> > > >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] Authenticate user without using
>> login
>> > > >>> page
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> You think there could be a way to do this within keycloak
>> itself?
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 4:41 PM, Rodrigo Sasaki <
>> > > >>>>>>> rodrigopsasaki at gmail.com >
>> > > >>>>>>>> wrote:
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> I'll give you an example:
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> We have a situation in our website where we only ask for the
>> > > >>>>>>>> user's
>> > > >>>>>>> e-mail,
>> > > >>>>>>>> and he can go on with the flow.
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> On a determined step of the flow, if we identify that this
>> is an
>> > > >>> e-mail
>> > > >>>>>>> that
>> > > >>>>>>>> we already have in our user database, we ask him for his
>> password,
>> > > >>>>>>>> authenticate him, and let him go on, if this e-mail is new,
>> we
>> > > >>> redirect
>> > > >>>>>>> him
>> > > >>>>>>>> to a page where he can register himself, and after that
>> continue
>> > > >>>>>>>> on.
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> On this specific case and others, we wouldn't like to have to
>> > > >>> redirect
>> > > >>>>>>> him to
>> > > >>>>>>>> keycloak, because that would interrupt the flow that we
>> designed.
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Bill Burke <
>> bburke at redhat.com >
>> > > >>> wrote:
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> http://docs.jboss.org/ keycloak/docs/1.0-beta-3/
>> > > >>>>>>>> userguide/html/direct-access- grants.html
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> If you have to do it this way, please let us know why. Maybe
>> we
>> > > >>>>>>>> can
>> > > >>>>>>> solve the
>> > > >>>>>>>> issue within keycloak itself.
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> On 7/16/2014 3:35 PM, Rodrigo Sasaki wrote:
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> Just for the sake of conversation, if I did want to handle
>> my own
>> > > >>> login
>> > > >>>>>>>> page, would there be a way for me to do it?
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Rodrigo Sasaki
>> > > >>>>>>>> < rodrigopsasaki at gmail.com <mailto: rodrigopsasaki at gmail.
>> com >>
>> > > >>> wrote:
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> I don't want to miss out on all of that, which is why we're
>> mostly
>> > > >>>>>>>> migrating everything to use keycloak that way.
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> It's just that we have cases that are so specific, that it
>> would
>> > > >>>>>>>> be
>> > > >>>>>>>> better to authenticate the user in a different manner,
>> create the
>> > > >>>>>>>> user session and everything, without redirecting.
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> I'll have a look at that code. Thanks!
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Bill Burke <
>> bburke at redhat.com
>> > > >>>>>>>> <mailto: bburke at redhat.com >> wrote:
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> If you want to handle your own login pages, IMO, you are
>> missing
>> > > >>>>>>>> out on
>> > > >>>>>>>> a lot of Keycloak features. Specifically:
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> * SSO
>> > > >>>>>>>> * forgot password
>> > > >>>>>>>> * admin forced credential reset/setup
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> Login pages can be styled however you like to look like your
>> > > >>>>>>>> application.
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> There is a REST api for obtaining an access token. Here is an
>> > > >>>>>>>> example:
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> https://github.com/keycloak/ keycloak/blob/master/examples/
>> > > >>>>>>>> demo-template/admin-access- app/src/main/java/org/
>> > > >>>>>>>> keycloak/example/AdminClient. java
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> On 7/15/2014 12:36 PM, Rodrigo Sasaki wrote:
>> > > >>>>>>>>> Is there a way to authenticate the user without having to
>> > > >>>>>>>> input username
>> > > >>>>>>>>> and password on the login page?
>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>> For example:
>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>> Say there's a situation in my application where I request
>> the
>> > > >>>>>>>> user for
>> > > >>>>>>>>> his username and password, and I wouldn't like to redirect
>> > > >>>>>>>> that to the
>> > > >>>>>>>>> keycloak login page to authenticate him, would there be a
>> way
>> > > >>>>>>>> for me to
>> > > >>>>>>>>> do that?
>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>> --
>> > > >>>>>>>>> Rodrigo Sasaki
>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>>
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>> > > >>>>>>>> --
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>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> --
>> > > >>>>>>>> Rodrigo Sasaki
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> --
>> > > >>>>>>>> Rodrigo Sasaki
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> --
>> > > >>>>>>>> Bill Burke
>> > > >>>>>>>> JBoss, a division of Red Hat
>> > > >>>>>>>> http://bill.burkecentral.com
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> --
>> > > >>>>>>>> Rodrigo Sasaki
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> --
>> > > >>>>>>>> Rodrigo Sasaki
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>> > > >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> --
>> > > >>>>>> Rodrigo Sasaki
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> --
>> > > >>>> Bill Burke
>> > > >>>> JBoss, a division of Red Hat
>> > > >>>> http://bill.burkecentral.com
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >> --
>> > > >> Rodrigo Sasaki
>> > > >>
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Bill Burke
>> > > JBoss, a division of Red Hat
>> > > http://bill.burkecentral.com
>> > >
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