[keycloak-user] Permissions: Slow/complex interactions

Wed Aug 1 10:58:58 EDT 2018

I'm trying to evaluate also Drools rules, but I have one question:
how to you work with Drools in the keycloak docker container?
Do you need to copy M2_HOME in the container or something like that?

On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 3:55 PM, Pedro Igor Silva <psilva at redhat.com> wrote:

> Yeah, that is why I'm also evaluating graaljs. But I think we will only
> get better results if using native images (ahead of time compiling vs jit),
> not sure ... But like I said, I've noticed some improvements in JS runtime
> when running KC on top of graalvm.
>
> I was also wondering if Groovy could be a nice language to support as an
> alternative/replacement to JS policies ...
>
> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 10:46 AM, Corentin Dupont <
> corentin.dupont at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It also seems that Nashorn script engine will be deprecated:
>> http://openjdk.java.net/jeps/335
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 3:25 PM, Corentin Dupont <
>> corentin.dupont at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I tried to make some more performance testing.
>>> With the same settings than before (70 resources, one scope), I obtain:
>>>
>>> - User policy (3 users): 15 ms
>>> - Javascript policy 1: 41ms
>>> - Javascript policy 2: 45ms
>>>
>>> It seems that Javascript policies are very slow.
>>> Actually I think the user policy does not take more than 3 ms to run
>>> over all the resources (if we remove the time due to HTTP overhead).
>>> While the Javascript policies take around 30ms to run over the resources.
>>> Is it a problem due to loading/switching to the Javascript engine for
>>> each resource?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 12:58 PM, Corentin Dupont <
>>> corentin.dupont at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 11:11 PM, Pedro Igor Silva <psilva at redhat.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We have now a performance testsuite (thanks to Tomaz) that can
>>>>> generate also generate datasets to cover different scenarios. I'm the
>>>>> middle of checking Tomaz work and preparing some datasets to include in our
>>>>> testsuite.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Great!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm going to give a try to your use case and see if I can get the same
>>>>> numbers. Not sure if this is your case, but I found some performance issues
>>>>> when defining multiple resources with a type where the owner is the
>>>>> resource server itself. This causes an overhead during evaluation where the
>>>>> engine tries to consider permissions granted to any of these typed
>>>>> resources. Someone reported this some time ago, and IMO, this is an invalid
>>>>> usage of resource types ... Not sure if this is your case though.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't really use the type of resource, actually... How do you make a
>>>> permission request based on types?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> More answers inline.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 7:24 PM, Corentin Dupont <
>>>>> corentin.dupont at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 11:51 AM, Pedro Igor Silva <psilva at redhat.com
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 7:54 AM, Corentin Dupont <
>>>>>>> corentin.dupont at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>>> I experience some performance issue on my API server using Keycloak.
>>>>>>>> After someone issue a GET on my API server, here is what happens:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - API server -> DB server: get requested resources
>>>>>>>> - API server -> Keycloak: get client token (to get resources)
>>>>>>>> - API server -> Keycloak: get resources (to complement DB server
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> resource owner & visibility)
>>>>>>>> - API server -> Keycloak: get user token (to get permission)
>>>>>>>> - API server -> Keycloak: get permission (to filter resources)
>>>>>>>> At this point the filtered resources are returned.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But this process is quite slow. I noticed a call to KC can take up
>>>>>>>> to 100ms.
>>>>>>>> The complete call on the API server can take up to 600ms on my
>>>>>>>> laptop, in
>>>>>>>> localhost setting.
>>>>>>>> The delays become noticeable on my UI...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you able to confirm the step(s) spending more time to process ?
>>>>>>> If when obtaining client tokens, resources or during evaluation ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I made a quick benchmark, here is the result:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - API server -> Keycloak: get client token: 400ms
>>>>>> - API server -> Keycloak: get resources: 1356ms
>>>>>> - API server -> Keycloak: get user token: 162ms
>>>>>> - API server -> Keycloak: get permission: 2400ms
>>>>>> Total: 4366ms
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, this timings are obtained only on the first try after I
>>>>>> reboot the server.
>>>>>> The next calls are faster. Maybe it's due to caching?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> - API server -> Keycloak: get client token: 17ms
>>>>>> - API server -> Keycloak: get resources: 19ms
>>>>>> - API server -> Keycloak: get user token: 92ms
>>>>>> - API server -> Keycloak: get permission: 314ms
>>>>>> Total: 476ms
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, it is caching. But numbers for steps #2 and #4 are high. Will
>>>>> see what we can improve.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the numbers. Wondering if you have percentiles for these
>>>>> requests ? Or this happens when you send a single request ?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is a single request... I scrapped the timestamps in my traces.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So yes, it's the evaluation taking time (and user token on a lesser
>>>>>> extent).
>>>>>> On this call, I need to get permissions for all resources on one
>>>>>> scope: permissions=#sensors:view
>>>>>> Because I need to filter out the resources the user cannot see.
>>>>>> There are around 70 resources and 3 policies (one user policy and 2
>>>>>> javascript).
>>>>>> Keycloak is in a docker container.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm working with more aggresive numbers, and results are better than
>>>>> yours. However, all depends on how you are setting up your settings. Need
>>>>> to check your setup and see if I can create a dataset based on it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Could you send me an example of those javascript policies ? Are they
>>>>> doing much ? Do you have more than one user per user policy ?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I attach my 2 javascript policies. They are very simple, should be O(1).
>>>> The user policy has 3 users.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, could you elaborate more what this step is doing: "- API
>>>>>>> server -> Keycloak: get resources (to complement DB server with
>>>>>>> resource owner & visibility)" ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I read the resources from Keycloak (authz/protection/resource_set/)
>>>>>> because I need to return the owner of the resource in my server response.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With a resource SPI strategy (if developed), it should be:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - API server -> DB server: get requested resources
>>>>>>>> - API server -> Keycloak: get user token (to get permission)
>>>>>>>> - API server -> Keycloak: get permission (to filter resources)
>>>>>>>> - Keycloak -> DB server: get resources
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is a little less requests. Additional gain is that resources
>>>>>>>> are not
>>>>>>>> split between 2 databases.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wonder if resources could be pushed during the permission
>>>>>>>> request? Like a
>>>>>>>> "pushed claim".
>>>>>>>> This would be even more straightforward:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - API server -> DB server: get requested resources
>>>>>>>> - API server -> Keycloak: get user token (to get permission)
>>>>>>>> - API server -> Keycloak: get permission and push resources
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can this work?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think this is an area we might want to improve in order to allow
>>>>>>> evaluating permissions solely based on claims pushed to the server. That
>>>>>>> means you won't need to manage resources in the server but rely on policies
>>>>>>> to process the "pushed claims".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes that would be great. Let me open a Jira to track this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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