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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/5/2015 3:18 PM, Marek Posolda
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Btv. Stan, is your work going to be
        added into 1.6 or is it for next release? I am just asking
        because there is one pending PR, which is likely going to be
        merged for 1.6 - <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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        . After merging this, we discussed with Stian some additional
        minor changes (namely removing "zip" export/import provider as
        nobody doesn't seem to be using it so far). I should also
        doublecheck that import still works after those changes.<br>
        <br>
        I am going to look at this likely next week and it's going to be
        included in 1.6. I am asking as I don't want to edit same code
        like you and break something you're working on <span
          class="moz-smiley-s3"><span> ;-) </span></span><br>
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    It definitely won't make it for 1.6.  I'm just getting started,
    figuring out the requirements, and figuring out how it will all
    work.<br>
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        Marek<br>
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        On 05/10/15 20:33, Stan Silvert wrote:<br>
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        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/5/2015 2:26 PM, Thomas
          Raehalme wrote:<br>
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          <p dir="ltr"><br>
            On Oct 5, 2015 21:24, "Bill Burke" &lt;<a
              moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
              href="mailto:bburke@redhat.com">bburke@redhat.com</a>&gt;
            wrote:<br>
            &gt;<br>
            &gt; I'm still averse to allowing export from admin console
            of any<br>
            &gt; credentials or private keys.</p>
          <p dir="ltr">Even if they are not directly downloadable but
            require access to the server just like now?<br>
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        I think there should be no secrets ever downloadable from admin
        console.  Admin console is, by definition, remote.<br>
        <br>
        If you have access to the server then you can use what is there
        now.<br>
        <br>
        It is possible, however, that when we do our CLI implementation
        we can verify that the user is local and allow full access. 
        That way, you could do full export on a running server.  WildFly
        CLI already has logic to verify a user is local.<br>
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          <p dir="ltr">&gt;<br>
            &gt; On 10/5/2015 2:02 PM, Stan Silvert wrote:<br>
            &gt; &gt; I'm actually starting on the design and
            implementation of this right<br>
            &gt; &gt; now.  It's import/export from the admin console. 
            It will also have the<br>
            &gt; &gt; ability to import/export partial pieces of a realm
            such as just users.<br>
            &gt; &gt;<br>
            &gt; &gt; Thanks for the comments so far on this thread. 
            They have been very helpful.<br>
            &gt; &gt;<br>
            &gt; &gt; We will keep the idea that no secrets should ever
            be exported from admin<br>
            &gt; &gt; console.  I'm not sure that having a flag for it
            in keycloak-server.json<br>
            &gt; &gt; helps.  To edit keycloak-server.json, you need
            access to the server, in<br>
            &gt; &gt; which case you might as well do the current
            import/export.<br>
            &gt; &gt;<br>
            &gt; &gt; So what do you do after you import a user with no
            credentials? Some ideas:<br>
            &gt; &gt; * The administrator can reset the password
            manually.<br>
            &gt; &gt; * The user can do password recovery (if enabled)<br>
            &gt; &gt;<br>
            &gt; &gt; An other ideas?<br>
            &gt; &gt;<br>
            &gt; &gt; Stan<br>
            &gt; &gt;<br>
            &gt; &gt; On 10/5/2015 12:34 PM, Tim Dudgeon wrote:<br>
            &gt; &gt;&gt; That's a good point. Having to stop/start the
            server to generate an<br>
            &gt; &gt;&gt; export is not ideal.<br>
            &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
            &gt; &gt;&gt; Tim<br>
            &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
            &gt; &gt;&gt; On 05/10/2015 11:56, Thomas Raehalme wrote:<br>
            &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
            &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
            &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 2:47 AM, Bill Burke
            &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:bburke@redhat.com">bburke@redhat.com</a><br>
            &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:bburke@redhat.com">bburke@redhat.com</a>&gt;&gt;


            wrote:<br>
            &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
            &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;     On 10/4/2015 5:37 PM, Thomas Raehalme
            wrote:<br>
            &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
            &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
            &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;         On Oct 4, 2015 23:57, "Bill Burke"
            &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:bburke@redhat.com">bburke@redhat.com</a><br>
            &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;         &lt;mailto:<a
              moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:bburke@redhat.com">bburke@redhat.com</a>
            &lt;mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:bburke@redhat.com">bburke@redhat.com</a>&gt;&gt;&gt;


            wrote:<br>
            &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;          &gt;<br>
            &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;          &gt; For security reasons we did
            not want to have a remote<br>
            &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;         option to export.<br>
            &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
            &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
            &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; How about just storing the export as a
            local file on the server?<br>
            &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; You'd need access to the server in order
            to get the file (making the<br>
            &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; system compromised anyways). The change to
            current behaviour is that<br>
            &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; you would be able to trigger the export at
            will without server restart.<br>
            &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
            &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Best regards,<br>
            &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Thomas<br>
            &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
            &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
            &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;
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            &gt; JBoss, a division of Red Hat<br>
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