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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/18/2016 12:26 PM, Stan Silvert
      wrote:<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/18/2016 12:14 PM, Stian
        Thorgersen wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAJgngAdHFL7jZegfB7uCuzyD3zrBqhDO1BgkGxDw=7S9e2mn1Q@mail.gmail.com"
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        <div dir="ltr">It's security vs usability as usual. Allowing
          passing the password directly is convenient for developers,
          for Docker image, for provisioning tools, etc.. So we're not
          going to remove that it's required, but I do appreciate that
          if not used correctly it's a potential security risk. The
          worst case scenario here is really that someone gets an admins
          favorite password, as someone that has access to getting the
          bash history of that particular user will also be able to run
          the add-user script themselves. </div>
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    BTW, the problem is not necessarily that someone broke in to the
    system in question.&nbsp; They might have obtained the history from an
    offline backup or some other static reference.<br>
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cite="mid:CAJgngAdHFL7jZegfB7uCuzyD3zrBqhDO1BgkGxDw=7S9e2mn1Q@mail.gmail.com"
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        <div dir="ltr">So if the admin wants to print his favorite
          password in clear text in the bash history we should not stop
          him.&nbsp;
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>It's not our responsibility to clear the bash history, so
            we should not do that either. <br>
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      If there is a way to stop that one command from being saved in the
      bash history then we should do it.&nbsp; <br>
      <br>
      At the very least, we should print a warning message to let the
      administrator know he has done something that is potentially
      insecure.<br>
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cite="mid:CAJgngAdHFL7jZegfB7uCuzyD3zrBqhDO1BgkGxDw=7S9e2mn1Q@mail.gmail.com"
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          <div class="gmail_quote">On 18 February 2016 at 16:53, Bruno
            Oliveira <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:bruno@abstractj.org" target="_blank">bruno@abstractj.org</a>&gt;</span>
            wrote:<br>
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              <div dir="ltr">It's about balance. I'm not arguing here
                against it, I just don't see how it could strengthen
                security. Nothing will stop people to get their own gun
                and automate it with stdin :)</div>
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                <div class="h5"><br>
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                    <div dir="ltr">On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 12:45 PM Stan
                      Silvert &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:ssilvert@redhat.com"
                        target="_blank">ssilvert@redhat.com</a>&gt;
                      wrote:<br>
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                        <div>On 2/18/2016 9:29 AM, Bruno Oliveira wrote:<br>
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                          <div dir="ltr">I can be wrong, but this is not
                            only our responsibility. For example, on
                            Linux you are prompted for the password with
                            passwd, but at the same time you could
                            circumvent this using: echo 12345678 | sudo
                            passwd admin --stdin.
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>In this scenario security auditors
                              won't blame the OS for this, but pretty
                              much sysadmins and bad security practices.
                              Anyways, whatever people think is the
                              best, I'm fine.</div>
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                      <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> I agree
                        with you there.&nbsp; In that case you are doing
                        something extra to shoot yourself in the foot.&nbsp;
                        We can't guard against that.<br>
                        <br>
                        We just shouldn't put the gun in your hand.</div>
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                          <div class="gmail_quote">
                            <div dir="ltr">On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 12:18
                              PM Stan Silvert &lt;<a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:ssilvert@redhat.com"
                                target="_blank">ssilvert@redhat.com</a>&gt;


                              wrote:<br>
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                                <div>On 2/18/2016 9:10 AM, Bruno
                                  Oliveira wrote:<br>
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                                  <div dir="ltr">I think the Jira
                                    created by Stian pretty much fixes
                                    the problem. Nope?</div>
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                              <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
                                Stian's JIRA says that if it is not
                                specified on the command line then do
                                the prompt.&nbsp; But if we still allow
                                setting it from the command line then
                                the password can still be saved to the
                                log in plain text.&nbsp; Security auditors
                                will always frown on that.<br>
                                <br>
                                So I'm saying we should either disallow
                                setting on the command line or somehow
                                disable saving to the log.&nbsp; We shouldn't
                                rely on an administrator to do the right
                                thing.</div>
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                                    <div>Something like:</div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>./add-user-keycloak.sh -u user</div>
                                    <div>Password: ******</div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>Or&nbsp;</div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>./add-user-keycloak-sh</div>
                                    <div>Username: joe</div>
                                    <div>Password: ******</div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>If this can't fix the issue, is
                                      also possible to disable
                                      bash_history temporarily. But I
                                      wouldn't take this route, because
                                      this is pretty much system
                                      administration responsibility.</div>
                                    <div><br>
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                                  <div class="gmail_quote">
                                    <div dir="ltr">On Thu, Feb 18, 2016
                                      at 11:47 AM Stan Silvert &lt;<a
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="mailto:ssilvert@redhat.com"
                                        target="_blank">ssilvert@redhat.com</a>&gt;



                                      wrote:<br>
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                                        <div>On 2/18/2016 2:15 AM, Stian
                                          Thorgersen wrote:<br>
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                                            <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                              <div class="gmail_quote">On

                                                17 February 2016 at
                                                17:09, Aikeaguinea <span
                                                  dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:aikeaguinea@xsmail.com" target="_blank">aikeaguinea@xsmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
                                                wrote:<br>
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                                                  seems the add-user.sh&nbsp;
                                                  script for changing
                                                  the admin password
                                                  only<br>
                                                  accepts the password
                                                  as a -p command-line
                                                  parameter. This would
                                                  expose<br>
                                                  the password in the
                                                  command history, so
                                                  I'd prefer not to use
                                                  the<br>
                                                  command in its current
                                                  form.<br>
                                                </blockquote>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>That's a mistake
                                                  we'll fix that. If not
                                                  specified it should
                                                  prompt for it. Added <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                    href="https://issues.jboss.org/browse/KEYCLOAK-2501"
                                                    target="_blank">https://issues.jboss.org/browse/KEYCLOAK-2501</a></div>
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                                      <div text="#000000"
                                        bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> After
                                        attending several security talks
                                        the last couple of days, I've
                                        become rather sensitized to this
                                        kind of issue.&nbsp; I feel quite
                                        strongly that we should never
                                        allow the password to be written
                                        to history in plain text.&nbsp;&nbsp; I'm
                                        also afraid it could cause us to
                                        flunk government certifications.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        On Windows, this really isn't a
                                        problem because command history
                                        is not saved.&nbsp; After a CMD
                                        session ends, the history is
                                        lost (unless you install some
                                        third-party tool).<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Perhaps there is a way to
                                        temporarily disable logging of
                                        command history in the
                                        add-user-keycloak.sh?</div>
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                                                  Is there another way
                                                  to do this?<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  The situation is even
                                                  more complicated with
                                                  Docker, since running
                                                  the<br>
                                                  script to change the
                                                  Wildfly admin password
                                                  requires restarting
                                                  the<br>
                                                  server, which shuts
                                                  down the container. If
                                                  you have an
                                                  autoscaling<br>
                                                  group, the container
                                                  that gets brought up
                                                  is not the container
                                                  where you<br>
                                                  changed the password,
                                                  but instead the
                                                  original container.
                                                  This seems to<br>
                                                  mean that the only way
                                                  to have Keycloak run
                                                  in Dockers in an
                                                  autoscaling<br>
                                                  group is to bake the
                                                  admin passwords into
                                                  the Docker image
                                                  beforehand.<br>
                                                  This isn't ideal; less
                                                  so if the only way to
                                                  add those passwords
                                                  during<br>
                                                  build time is to run
                                                  the shell script that
                                                  exposes the password
                                                  on the<br>
                                                  command line.<br>
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                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>You need to set the
                                                  password once for your
                                                  database. This can be
                                                  done prior to
                                                  accessing the admin
                                                  console the first
                                                  time. Take a look at&nbsp;<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://github.com/jboss-dockerfiles/keycloak/blob/master/server/README.md"
                                                    target="_blank">https://github.com/jboss-dockerfiles/keycloak/blob/master/server/README.md</a>,
                                                  you can use docker
                                                  exec to do this.</div>
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