[rules-dev] Dropping Maven 2 for Gradle?

Sun Jul 11 19:03:23 EDT 2010

  On 11/07/2010 23:55, Michael Neale wrote:
> I think you mean gradle - but yes, that makes sense.
>
> There were others I was fond of - buildr was one - as far as I know, 
> the nice things about all these "alternative" tools is that they at 
> the least reuse the maven repositories and meta data - so it isn't 
> starting from scratch.
>
> As a consumer of libraries, I like having declarative dependencies, no 
> matter what my build system is, so that is a good thing.
>
> I think the drools build is pretty much as complex as hibernate - more 
> so even - drools has a few stand alone components that have quite 
> fiddly build steps (which still probably aren't fully automated), 
> things like GWT, building cut down app servers etc... so it is worth 
> watching closely how hibernate do.
>
> Myself - I know that MarkP has struggled for years with maven, and won 
> most battles - so the day I see mark switch to gradle/whatever, is the 
> day I would probably switch.
Build systems can suck time like nothing else, I've wasted so much time 
in the past. So in general the less time I spend working on the build 
the better, and at the moment it's not taking up a lot of time, so I 
have to get a strong itch to swap one pain for another ;)

We will be splitting up the build going forward, so we'll see how much 
pain we go through there and whether it creates a strong enough itch.

Mark
>
> Maven 3 promises to be compatible - so that is an improvement over 
> maven1 (not sure if many remember that... oh the horror).
>
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Mark Proctor <mproctor at codehaus.org 
> <mailto:mproctor at codehaus.org>> wrote:
>
>      I'm happy to let the hibernate people guinee pig Grails. Initially
>     we'll move to maven 3 (as it's backwards compatible), and for the
>     moment
>     maven is still what most people are familiar with.
>
>     We'll be restructuring the build over time and if maven 3 doesn't do
>     what we need and/or hibernate people are reporting amazing results
>     with
>     no sign of improvements to maven, then we can evaluate Grails.
>
>     Mark
>
>
>     On 11/07/2010 14:55, Geoffrey De Smet wrote:
>     > Steve makes some good, valid points on that blog about Maven 2.
>     > I get the feeling that Maven 3 fixes a lot of those problems and the
>     > maven 3.1 promises a lot too.
>     > At Devoxx 2009 I saw 2 presentations:
>     > - Gradle (the lead, forgot his name): showed a build of a one module
>     > project with one source file - and it was fast. All in all,
>     Gradle felt
>     > like a toy (I must be wrong since the Hibernate guys are serious).
>     > - a Maven 3 (the lead, Jason) presentation: he basically went
>     over all
>     > the things I hate about maven 2 and stated that maven 3 or 3.1
>     would fix
>     > them while remaining backward compatible. He showed a large
>     > multi-project build with tons of sources files and it was
>     relatively fast.
>     >
>     > It will be very interesting to see how hibernate's
>     experimentation with
>     > Gradle goes and how the maven guys react.
>     >
>     >
>     > Nevertheless, I am convinced that most of the problems in our
>     build are
>     > fixable, by cleaning up our build:
>     > https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBRULES-2504
>     > If I get some time for that, I 'd love to pull the effort to fix
>     those
>     > issues.
>     >
>     > With kind regards,
>     > Geoffrey De Smet
>     >
>     >
>     > Salaboy schreef:
>     >> I think that after the release it would be nice to research on
>     this kind of things. And now if jboss has another framework that
>     uses gradle, probably will be easier to migrate
>     >>
>     >> - CTO @ http://www.plugtree.com
>     >> - MyJourney @ http://salaboy.wordpress.com
>     >> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jbug.com.ar
>     >> - Mauricio "Salaboy" Salatino -
>     >>
>     >> On Jul 9, 2010, at 4:25, tolitius<webakaunt at gmail.com
>     <mailto:webakaunt at gmail.com>>  wrote:
>     >>
>     >>> Before you move to Maven 3. There is still a chance to do the
>     right thing:
>     >>>
>     >>> http://community.jboss.org/wiki/Gradlewhy
>     >>>
>     >>> one of the JBoss projects ( Hibernate ) already realized that.
>     Time for
>     >>> Drools to do to.
>     >>>
>     >>> /Anatoly
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