It is more common, hopefully over time education and tooling will make it clearer of the benefits of "the right way", but there seems to be a law that says turing complete environments/languages will be used for ANYTHING (and its true from my experience).
<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 1/13/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Peter Lin</b> <<a href="mailto:woolfel@gmail.com">woolfel@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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haha, users already do the right thing :)<br>
<br>
so no one ever needs to worry about a rule being 5 pages with deeply
nested and/or. Joking aside, I am quite shocked at how frequent
users do it. In fact, I would say it's like half the time, users do
stupid things like that.<br>
<br>
then they bring in a consultant, who fixes the pile of mess.<br><span class="sg">
<br>
peter</span><div><span class="e" id="q_1101cea5a09ef004_2"><br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 1/13/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Michael Neale</b> <<a href="mailto:michael.neale@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
michael.neale@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
yes, well just cause you can, doesn't mean you should... ;) <br><br>I
think its needed for the first order logic stuff like not, exists,
forall, *occasionally* (especially "not" I have often wanted it), but
should only be used as a light seasoning.
<div><span><br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 1/12/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Peter Lin</b> <<a href="mailto:woolfel@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
woolfel@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>
oh the horror of users nesting statements 4-10 deep.<br>
<br>
I fear the poor user won't know what the heck they wrote the next day :)<br><span>
<br>
peter</span><div><span><br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 1/12/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Edson Tirelli</b> <<a href="mailto:tirelli@post.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
tirelli@post.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Except for the need to change code target to 1.5, core and compiler<br>are compiling fine now and all tests are green.<br><br> I just commited the new Builders. We now support any level of<br>Conditional Elements nesting.
<br><br> Forall is just syntax sugar that I will add now. Shall be ok on monday.<br><br> So, I think the major requirement for M1 is the MVEL stuff.<br><br> []s<br> Edson<br><br>Michael Neale wrote:<br><br>> lol ! other then
3.0.x branch ?? ;)<br>><br>> Edson may know a branch to use, but in any case, Mark is beavering<br>> away on MVEL integration which will be awesome (I think he wants MVEL<br>> for an M1 release).<br>><br>> On 1/12/07, *Dirk Bergstrom* <
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dirk@juniper.net</a>>> wrote:<br>><br>> Michael Neale was heard to exclaim, On 01/02/07 05:28:<br>
> > Guys, I am ok to do a M1 release of 3.2 whenever needed<br>><br>> Any news on this? I've been running (in production now) on code I<br>> pulled from<br>> trunk a month or so ago, and it throws NPEs now and again. I'd
<br>> really like to<br>> get something a bit more stable. Today's trunk "revision 8842"<br>> doesn't build,<br>> because the mvel code is Java 1.5.<br>><br>> I'm kinda stuck here, and I'm hoping that someone can throw me a
<br>> bone. If M1<br>> isn't coming soon, was there a particular revision number that was<br>> fairly stable<br>> that I can use?<br>><br>> --<br>>
Dirk
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