Red Hat doesn't have to be the copyright holder - the licence was granted - end of story. Red Hat often doesn't take copyright assignment for many projects (I have no legal relationship with red hat and am not employed by them, but just from what I know from past history) - the author keeps them. This is a fundamental misunderstanding of copyright, there is nothing you can do, it is done. <div>
<br></div><div>Also - please do not post to this list again - nothing good will come of it and there will be consequences if you keep annoying people. <br><div><br></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Yusuke Yamamoto <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:yamamoyu@gmail.com">yamamoyu@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div class="im"><blockquote type="cite"><div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">No that is not the way that OSS licensing works. You as the copyright holder may release future versions of code you hold the copyright for under different licenses. You cannot retro-actively change the license of something.</div>
</blockquote></div>Yeah, you're right on that part.<div><br></div><div>Red Hat shouldn't be the copyright holder since it's done by my spare time. There's no term in the employment agreement that enables Red Hat to grab copyright ownership of employee's work done by unpaid hours.</div>
<div>You are confusing copyright, go seek legal council - maybe Richard?</div><div><div><br></div><div>And as the copyright holder, I do not wish to release my work under the ASL in the future.<div>So please remove them from the trunk and do not include in the future versions.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Yusuke</div><div><div></div><div class="h5"><div><br></div><div><div><div>On Sep 1, 2010, at 4:22 PM, Mark Proctor wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite">
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On 01/09/2010 02:50, 山本 裕介 wrote:
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<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"><p style="margin-bottom:0cm">At the time of your
contributions to Drools and other projects you were
a Red Hat employee. The Red Hat legal department has
determined that it has the right to copy, modify and
distribute your contributions under the Apache
License version 2.0 and considers this matter
closed. </p>
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<div>Richard didn't explain that. </div>
<div>I didn't use Red Hat time to fix those bugs, translate
message resources. I believe that "I am/was a Red Hat employee"
doesn't matter. I'm not paid for the task.</div>
<div><br>
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"At the time the code was contributed in good faith under the
Apache license, you cannot then decide at a later date to change
your mind."
<div>
<div>My understanding is that people just do not want to undone
their contributions usually. That is how OSS works.</div>
<div>
<div>Technically the copyright holder of translated message
resources, program codes is the originator.</div>
</div>
<div>I agreed to distribute my work under the ASL, but I didn't
tell that I willingly give away the copyright to the project.</div>
<div>Anybody who originates their work (i.e. the copyright
holder) should be able to decide the license at a later date.</div>
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No that is not the way that OSS licensing works. You as the
copyright holder may release future versions of code you hold the
copyright for under different licenses. You cannot retro-actively
change the license of something.<br>
<br>
Imagine I release a project under ASL, I get a million users. I then
change my mind and revoke that and tell those million users, you
can't use that under OSS anymore as i've changed my mind, if you
want to use it pay me 10 billion dollars. <br>
<br>
You are confusing copyright and licensing, go seek legal council.<br>
<br>
Mark<br>
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<div>Richard, any comment?</div>
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<div>On Sep 1, 2010, at 8:27 AM, Michael Neale wrote:</div>
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<blockquote type="cite">So is the reason that there is a
dispute over another copyright holder? (ie these changes
were copied in violation of that copyright in the first
place) - or a case of changing-minds about rights to the
commits of the original work? (if the latter then close
the issue - nothing can or should be done - as it is a
licencing issue then, not a copyright issue, and as Mark
says the licence doesn't permit that revoking).
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Mark Proctor <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mproctor@codehaus.org" target="_blank">mproctor@codehaus.org</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Yusuke,<br><p style="margin-bottom:0cm">At the time of your
contributions to Drools and other projects you
were a Red Hat employee. The Red Hat legal
department has determined that it has the right
to copy, modify and distribute your
contributions under the Apache License version
2.0 and considers this matter closed. If you
have any further need to discuss this please do
so with Red Hat legal, - you have their contact
details.<br>
<br>
Even if you were not a Red Hat employee, which
you were at the time, you cannot undo an OSS
code contribution, that is not how OSS licensing
works. At the time the code was contributed in
good faith under the Apache license, you cannot
then decide at a later date to change your mind.
The OSS licenses, be it ASL or LGPL or GPL, are
designed specifically to provide certainty in
that area. Without this level of certainty end
user OSS adoption would be a minefield as every
time developers fall out, which happens often,
one could demand all their code be removed and
this would impact everyone who has invested time
installing that software in production systems.<br>
</p><p style="margin-bottom:0cm">Mark<br>
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<div> <br>
On 31/08/2010 17:41, 山本 裕介 wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">I have consulted RH
legal dept. only to get no meaningful
response.
<div>I guess Edson is the one who commit
most of these files.<br>
<div>The how and why they need to be
uncommitted is attached to the Jira
issue.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Yusuke</div>
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<div>On Sep 1, 2010, at 1:34 AM,
Mauricio Salatino wrote:</div>
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<blockquote type="cite">Hi Yusuke,
good question. I'm not sure where is
the right place, but you are only
asking to rollback your changes
right?<br>
who commit all your contributions to
the jboss repo?<br>
I also saw that you mention: "For
several reasons, I decided to
withdraw those contributions
introduced from my spare time. "<br>
can you mention those reasons? so
we, as community can learn why you
want to remove your contributions.
I'm just curious.<br>
Greetings.<br>
<br>
<br>
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31, 2010 at 12:50 PM, 山本 裕介 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:yamamoyu@gmail.com" target="_blank">yamamoyu@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex">Where is the
appropriate forum for copyright
issues?<br>
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On Sep 1, 2010, at 12:45 AM,
Greg Barton wrote:<br>
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> This is not the
appropriate forum for
copyrighgt issues.<br>
><br>
> GreG<br>
><br>
> On Aug 31, 2010, at
9:40, 山本 裕介 <<a href="mailto:yamamoyu@gmail.com" target="_blank">yamamoyu@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
> There's a copyright
violation issue on Drools
5.1 release.<br>
> Please remove the
changes listed in the
following issue.<br>
> <a href="https://jira.jboss.org/browse/JBRULES-2660" target="_blank">https://jira.jboss.org/browse/JBRULES-2660</a><br>
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> Thanks,<br>
> Yusuke<br>
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