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    On 01/09/2010 11:01, Yusuke Yamamoto wrote:
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:32405AC4-D4EA-4BE7-A5AE-6CC00C126367@gmail.com"
      type="cite">Now I'm not requesting to change the license
      retroactively.
      <div>It's okay to keep including my work in the released versions.<br>
        <div>As the copyright holder, and the originator of the work,
          I'm just declaring that my work will no longer licensed under
          the ASL in the future versions.</div>
        <div>AFAIK, the copyright holder can change the license in the
          future release.</div>
        <div>Like oracle changed the license of WebLogic Server from
          BEA's license to OTN license.</div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    That is not how it works, end of discussion.<br>
    <br>
    Mark<br>
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:32405AC4-D4EA-4BE7-A5AE-6CC00C126367@gmail.com"
      type="cite">
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        <div><br>
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        <div>
          <blockquote type="cite">
            <div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">Any further
              discussions should take place between legally qualified
              people.</div>
          </blockquote>
          Please have Richard respond to me faithfully. Otherwise I need
          to request here.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Thanks,</div>
        <div>Yusuke</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>
          <div>
            <div>On Sep 1, 2010, at 6:40 PM, Mark Proctor wrote:</div>
            <br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
            <blockquote type="cite">
              <div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> On 01/09/2010
                10:16, Yusuke Yamamoto wrote:
                <blockquote
                  cite="mid:E77FFB23-6495-4AA0-A217-98001434A3D4@gmail.com"
                  type="cite">
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">No that is not
                      the way that OSS licensing works. You as the
                      copyright holder may release future versions of
                      code you hold the copyright for under different
                      licenses. You cannot retro-actively change the
                      license of something.</div>
                  </blockquote>
                  Yeah, you're right on that part.
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Red Hat shouldn't be the copyright holder since
                    it's done by my spare time. There's no term in the
                    employment agreement that enables Red Hat to grab
                    copyright ownership of employee's work done by
                    unpaid hours.</div>
                  <div>You are confusing copyright, go seek legal
                    council - maybe Richard?</div>
                  <div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>And as the copyright holder, I do not wish to
                      release my work under the ASL in the future.
                      <div>So please remove them from the trunk and do
                        not include in the future versions.</div>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                </blockquote>
                Either you are incredibly stupid, or just playing dumb
                to annoy everyone and waste people's time. I don't think
                myself or others could have been any clearer. You cannot
                retroactive unlicense something. That code which you
                have contributed is under the terms of the ASL, FOREVER,
                you cannot change that. Under the terms of the ASL we
                can modify it and distribute and make derivitives from
                it in further versions FOREVER.<br>
                <br>
                I have made that clear, your code will not be removed,
                this matter is closed and you will achieve nothing more
                in discussing this further here. Any further discussions
                should take place between legally qualified people.<br>
                <br>
                Now grow up and stop embarassing yourself.<br>
                <br>
                Mark<br>
                <blockquote
                  cite="mid:E77FFB23-6495-4AA0-A217-98001434A3D4@gmail.com"
                  type="cite">
                  <div>
                    <div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>Thanks,</div>
                      <div>Yusuke</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <div>
                          <div>On Sep 1, 2010, at 4:22 PM, Mark Proctor
                            wrote:</div>
                          <br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
                          <blockquote type="cite">
                            <div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> On
                              01/09/2010 02:50, 山本 裕介 wrote:
                              <blockquote
                                cite="mid:709EDABF-8822-483A-8B24-976597550CCB@gmail.com"
                                type="cite">
                                <div>
                                  <blockquote type="cite">
                                    <div>
                                      <div class="gmail_quote">
                                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
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                                            <p style="margin-bottom:
                                              0cm;">At the time of your
                                              contributions to Drools
                                              and other projects you
                                              were a Red Hat employee.
                                              The Red Hat legal
                                              department has determined
                                              that it has the right to
                                              copy, modify and
                                              distribute your
                                              contributions under the
                                              Apache License version 2.0
                                              and considers this matter
                                              closed. </p>
                                          </div>
                                        </blockquote>
                                      </div>
                                    </div>
                                  </blockquote>
                                </div>
                                <div>Richard didn't explain that. </div>
                                <div>I didn't use Red Hat time to fix
                                  those bugs, translate message
                                  resources. I believe that "I am/was a
                                  Red Hat employee" doesn't matter. I'm
                                  not paid for the task.</div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                "At the time the code was contributed in
                                good faith under the Apache license, you
                                cannot then decide at a later date to
                                change your mind."
                                <div>
                                  <div>My understanding is that people
                                    just do not want to undone their
                                    contributions usually. That is how
                                    OSS works.</div>
                                  <div>
                                    <div>Technically the copyright
                                      holder of translated message
                                      resources, program codes is the
                                      originator.</div>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>I agreed to distribute my work
                                    under the ASL, but I didn't tell
                                    that I willingly give away the
                                    copyright to the project.</div>
                                  <div>Anybody who originates their work
                                    (i.e. the copyright holder) should
                                    be able to decide the license at a
                                    later date.</div>
                                </div>
                              </blockquote>
                              No that is not the way that OSS licensing
                              works. You as the copyright holder may
                              release future versions of code you hold
                              the copyright for under different
                              licenses. You cannot retro-actively change
                              the license of something.<br>
                              <br>
                              Imagine I release a project under ASL, I
                              get a million users. I then change my mind
                              and revoke that and tell those million
                              users, you can't use that under OSS
                              anymore as i've changed my mind, if you
                              want to use it pay me 10 billion dollars.
                              <br>
                              <br>
                              You are confusing copyright and licensing,
                              go seek legal council.<br>
                              <br>
                              Mark<br>
                              <blockquote
                                cite="mid:709EDABF-8822-483A-8B24-976597550CCB@gmail.com"
                                type="cite">
                                <div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>Richard, any comment?</div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <div>
                                      <div>On Sep 1, 2010, at 8:27 AM,
                                        Michael Neale wrote:</div>
                                      <br
                                        class="Apple-interchange-newline">
                                      <blockquote type="cite">So is the
                                        reason that there is a dispute
                                        over another copyright holder?
                                        (ie these changes were copied in
                                        violation of that copyright in
                                        the first place) - or a case of
                                        changing-minds about rights to
                                        the commits of the original
                                        work? (if the latter then close
                                        the issue - nothing can or
                                        should be done - as it is a
                                        licencing issue then, not a
                                        copyright issue, and as Mark
                                        says the licence doesn't permit
                                        that revoking). 
                                        <div> <br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div><br>
                                          <br>
                                          <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                            Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:56 AM,
                                            Mark Proctor <span
                                              dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                href="mailto:mproctor@codehaus.org">mproctor@codehaus.org</a>&gt;</span>
                                            wrote:<br>
                                            <blockquote
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                                              <div bgcolor="#ffffff"
                                                text="#000000"> Yusuke,<br>
                                                <p style="margin-bottom:
                                                  0cm;">At the time of
                                                  your contributions to
                                                  Drools and other
                                                  projects you were a
                                                  Red Hat employee. The
                                                  Red Hat legal
                                                  department has
                                                  determined that it has
                                                  the right to copy,
                                                  modify and distribute
                                                  your contributions
                                                  under the Apache
                                                  License version 2.0
                                                  and considers this
                                                  matter closed. If you
                                                  have any further need
                                                  to discuss this please
                                                  do so with Red Hat
                                                  legal, - you have
                                                  their contact details.<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Even if you were not a
                                                  Red Hat employee,
                                                  which you were at the
                                                  time, you cannot undo
                                                  an OSS code
                                                  contribution, that is
                                                  not how OSS licensing
                                                  works. At the time the
                                                  code was contributed
                                                  in good faith under
                                                  the Apache license,
                                                  you cannot then decide
                                                  at a later date to
                                                  change your mind. The
                                                  OSS licenses, be it
                                                  ASL or LGPL or GPL,
                                                  are designed
                                                  specifically to
                                                  provide certainty in
                                                  that area. Without
                                                  this level of
                                                  certainty end user OSS
                                                  adoption would be a
                                                  minefield as every
                                                  time developers fall
                                                  out, which happens
                                                  often, one could
                                                  demand all their code
                                                  be removed and this
                                                  would impact everyone
                                                  who has invested time
                                                  installing that
                                                  software in production
                                                  systems.<br>
                                                </p>
                                                <p style="margin-bottom:
                                                  0cm;">Mark<br>
                                                </p>
                                                <div>
                                                  <div class="h5"> <br>
                                                    On 31/08/2010 17:41,
                                                    山本 裕介 wrote:
                                                    <blockquote
                                                      type="cite">I have
                                                      consulted RH legal
                                                      dept. only to get
                                                      no meaningful
                                                      response.
                                                      <div>I guess Edson
                                                        is the one who
                                                        commit most of
                                                        these files.<br>
                                                        <div>The how and
                                                          why they need
                                                          to be
                                                          uncommitted is
                                                          attached to
                                                          the Jira
                                                          issue.</div>
                                                        <div><br>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div>Thanks,</div>
                                                        <div>Yusuke</div>
                                                        <div><br>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>On Sep 1,
                                                          2010, at 1:34
                                                          AM, Mauricio
                                                          Salatino
                                                          wrote:</div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          type="cite">Hi
                                                          Yusuke, good
                                                          question. I'm
                                                          not sure where
                                                          is the right
                                                          place, but you
                                                          are only
                                                          asking to
                                                          rollback your
                                                          changes right?<br>
                                                          who commit all
                                                          your
                                                          contributions
                                                          to the jboss
                                                          repo?<br>
                                                          I also saw
                                                          that you
                                                          mention: "For
                                                          several
                                                          reasons, I
                                                          decided to
                                                          withdraw those
                                                          contributions
                                                          introduced
                                                          from my spare
                                                          time. "<br>
                                                          can you
                                                          mention those
                                                          reasons? so
                                                          we, as
                                                          community can
                                                          learn why you
                                                          want to remove
                                                          your
                                                          contributions.
                                                          I'm just
                                                          curious.<br>
                                                          Greetings.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote">On

                                                          Tue, Aug 31,
                                                          2010 at 12:50
                                                          PM, 山本 裕介 <span
                                                          dir="ltr">&lt;<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:yamamoyu@gmail.com" target="_blank">yamamoyu@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          <blockquote
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                                                          padding-left:
                                                          1ex;">Where is
                                                          the
                                                          appropriate
                                                          forum for
                                                          copyright
                                                          issues?<br>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          On Sep 1,
                                                          2010, at 12:45
                                                          AM, Greg
                                                          Barton wrote:<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          &gt; This is
                                                          not the
                                                          appropriate
                                                          forum for
                                                          copyrighgt
                                                          issues.<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; GreG<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; On Aug
                                                          31, 2010, at
                                                          9:40, 山本 裕介
                                                          &lt;<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:yamamoyu@gmail.com" target="_blank">yamamoyu@gmail.com</a>&gt;



                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; Hi,<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; There's a
                                                          copyright
                                                          violation
                                                          issue on
                                                          Drools 5.1
                                                          release.<br>
                                                          &gt; Please
                                                          remove the
                                                          changes listed
                                                          in the
                                                          following
                                                          issue.<br>
                                                          &gt; <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://jira.jboss.org/browse/JBRULES-2660" target="_blank">https://jira.jboss.org/browse/JBRULES-2660</a><br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; Thanks,<br>
                                                          &gt; Yusuke<br>
                                                          &gt;
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                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
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