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On 01/09/2010 11:01, Yusuke Yamamoto wrote:
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cite="mid:32405AC4-D4EA-4BE7-A5AE-6CC00C126367@gmail.com"
type="cite">Now I'm not requesting to change the license
retroactively.
<div>It's okay to keep including my work in the released versions.<br>
<div>As the copyright holder, and the originator of the work,
I'm just declaring that my work will no longer licensed under
the ASL in the future versions.</div>
<div>AFAIK, the copyright holder can change the license in the
future release.</div>
<div>Like oracle changed the license of WebLogic Server from
BEA's license to OTN license.</div>
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That is not how it works, end of discussion.<br>
<br>
Mark<br>
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cite="mid:32405AC4-D4EA-4BE7-A5AE-6CC00C126367@gmail.com"
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<div>
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<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">Any further
discussions should take place between legally qualified
people.</div>
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Please have Richard respond to me faithfully. Otherwise I need
to request here.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Yusuke</div>
<div><br>
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<div>
<div>
<div>On Sep 1, 2010, at 6:40 PM, Mark Proctor wrote:</div>
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<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> On 01/09/2010
10:16, Yusuke Yamamoto wrote:
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cite="mid:E77FFB23-6495-4AA0-A217-98001434A3D4@gmail.com"
type="cite">
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<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">No that is not
the way that OSS licensing works. You as the
copyright holder may release future versions of
code you hold the copyright for under different
licenses. You cannot retro-actively change the
license of something.</div>
</blockquote>
Yeah, you're right on that part.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Red Hat shouldn't be the copyright holder since
it's done by my spare time. There's no term in the
employment agreement that enables Red Hat to grab
copyright ownership of employee's work done by
unpaid hours.</div>
<div>You are confusing copyright, go seek legal
council - maybe Richard?</div>
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>And as the copyright holder, I do not wish to
release my work under the ASL in the future.
<div>So please remove them from the trunk and do
not include in the future versions.</div>
</div>
</div>
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Either you are incredibly stupid, or just playing dumb
to annoy everyone and waste people's time. I don't think
myself or others could have been any clearer. You cannot
retroactive unlicense something. That code which you
have contributed is under the terms of the ASL, FOREVER,
you cannot change that. Under the terms of the ASL we
can modify it and distribute and make derivitives from
it in further versions FOREVER.<br>
<br>
I have made that clear, your code will not be removed,
this matter is closed and you will achieve nothing more
in discussing this further here. Any further discussions
should take place between legally qualified people.<br>
<br>
Now grow up and stop embarassing yourself.<br>
<br>
Mark<br>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Yusuke</div>
<div><br>
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<div>On Sep 1, 2010, at 4:22 PM, Mark Proctor
wrote:</div>
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<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> On
01/09/2010 02:50, 山本 裕介 wrote:
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cite="mid:709EDABF-8822-483A-8B24-976597550CCB@gmail.com"
type="cite">
<div>
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<p style="margin-bottom:
0cm;">At the time of your
contributions to Drools
and other projects you
were a Red Hat employee.
The Red Hat legal
department has determined
that it has the right to
copy, modify and
distribute your
contributions under the
Apache License version 2.0
and considers this matter
closed. </p>
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<div>Richard didn't explain that. </div>
<div>I didn't use Red Hat time to fix
those bugs, translate message
resources. I believe that "I am/was a
Red Hat employee" doesn't matter. I'm
not paid for the task.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
"At the time the code was contributed in
good faith under the Apache license, you
cannot then decide at a later date to
change your mind."
<div>
<div>My understanding is that people
just do not want to undone their
contributions usually. That is how
OSS works.</div>
<div>
<div>Technically the copyright
holder of translated message
resources, program codes is the
originator.</div>
</div>
<div>I agreed to distribute my work
under the ASL, but I didn't tell
that I willingly give away the
copyright to the project.</div>
<div>Anybody who originates their work
(i.e. the copyright holder) should
be able to decide the license at a
later date.</div>
</div>
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No that is not the way that OSS licensing
works. You as the copyright holder may
release future versions of code you hold
the copyright for under different
licenses. You cannot retro-actively change
the license of something.<br>
<br>
Imagine I release a project under ASL, I
get a million users. I then change my mind
and revoke that and tell those million
users, you can't use that under OSS
anymore as i've changed my mind, if you
want to use it pay me 10 billion dollars.
<br>
<br>
You are confusing copyright and licensing,
go seek legal council.<br>
<br>
Mark<br>
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cite="mid:709EDABF-8822-483A-8B24-976597550CCB@gmail.com"
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<div>Richard, any comment?</div>
<div><br>
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<div>
<div>On Sep 1, 2010, at 8:27 AM,
Michael Neale wrote:</div>
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class="Apple-interchange-newline">
<blockquote type="cite">So is the
reason that there is a dispute
over another copyright holder?
(ie these changes were copied in
violation of that copyright in
the first place) - or a case of
changing-minds about rights to
the commits of the original
work? (if the latter then close
the issue - nothing can or
should be done - as it is a
licencing issue then, not a
copyright issue, and as Mark
says the licence doesn't permit
that revoking).
<div> <br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On
Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:56 AM,
Mark Proctor <span
dir="ltr"><<a
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wrote:<br>
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<div bgcolor="#ffffff"
text="#000000"> Yusuke,<br>
<p style="margin-bottom:
0cm;">At the time of
your contributions to
Drools and other
projects you were a
Red Hat employee. The
Red Hat legal
department has
determined that it has
the right to copy,
modify and distribute
your contributions
under the Apache
License version 2.0
and considers this
matter closed. If you
have any further need
to discuss this please
do so with Red Hat
legal, - you have
their contact details.<br>
<br>
Even if you were not a
Red Hat employee,
which you were at the
time, you cannot undo
an OSS code
contribution, that is
not how OSS licensing
works. At the time the
code was contributed
in good faith under
the Apache license,
you cannot then decide
at a later date to
change your mind. The
OSS licenses, be it
ASL or LGPL or GPL,
are designed
specifically to
provide certainty in
that area. Without
this level of
certainty end user OSS
adoption would be a
minefield as every
time developers fall
out, which happens
often, one could
demand all their code
be removed and this
would impact everyone
who has invested time
installing that
software in production
systems.<br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:
0cm;">Mark<br>
</p>
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<div class="h5"> <br>
On 31/08/2010 17:41,
山本 裕介 wrote:
<blockquote
type="cite">I have
consulted RH legal
dept. only to get
no meaningful
response.
<div>I guess Edson
is the one who
commit most of
these files.<br>
<div>The how and
why they need
to be
uncommitted is
attached to
the Jira
issue.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Yusuke</div>
<div><br>
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<div>
<div>
<div>On Sep 1,
2010, at 1:34
AM, Mauricio
Salatino
wrote:</div>
<br>
<blockquote
type="cite">Hi
Yusuke, good
question. I'm
not sure where
is the right
place, but you
are only
asking to
rollback your
changes right?<br>
who commit all
your
contributions
to the jboss
repo?<br>
I also saw
that you
mention: "For
several
reasons, I
decided to
withdraw those
contributions
introduced
from my spare
time. "<br>
can you
mention those
reasons? so
we, as
community can
learn why you
want to remove
your
contributions.
I'm just
curious.<br>
Greetings.<br>
<br>
<br>
<div
class="gmail_quote">On
Tue, Aug 31,
2010 at 12:50
PM, 山本 裕介 <span
dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:yamamoyu@gmail.com" target="_blank">yamamoyu@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:
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border-left:
1px solid
rgb(204, 204,
204);
padding-left:
1ex;">Where is
the
appropriate
forum for
copyright
issues?<br>
<div>
<div><br>
On Sep 1,
2010, at 12:45
AM, Greg
Barton wrote:<br>
<br>
> This is
not the
appropriate
forum for
copyrighgt
issues.<br>
><br>
> GreG<br>
><br>
> On Aug
31, 2010, at
9:40, 山本 裕介
<<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:yamamoyu@gmail.com" target="_blank">yamamoyu@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
> There's a
copyright
violation
issue on
Drools 5.1
release.<br>
> Please
remove the
changes listed
in the
following
issue.<br>
> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://jira.jboss.org/browse/JBRULES-2660" target="_blank">https://jira.jboss.org/browse/JBRULES-2660</a><br>
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> Thanks,<br>
> Yusuke<br>
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