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On 01/09/2010 10:16, Yusuke Yamamoto wrote:
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<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">No that is not the way
that OSS licensing works. You as the copyright holder may
release future versions of code you hold the copyright for
under different licenses. You cannot retro-actively change the
license of something.</div>
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Yeah, you're right on that part.
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<div>Red Hat shouldn't be the copyright holder since it's done by
my spare time. There's no term in the employment agreement that
enables Red Hat to grab copyright ownership of employee's work
done by unpaid hours.</div>
<div>You are confusing copyright, go seek legal council - maybe
Richard?</div>
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<div>And as the copyright holder, I do not wish to release my
work under the ASL in the future.
<div>So please remove them from the trunk and do not include
in the future versions.</div>
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Either you are incredibly stupid, or just playing dumb to annoy
everyone and waste people's time. I don't think myself or others
could have been any clearer. You cannot retroactive unlicense
something. That code which you have contributed is under the terms
of the ASL, FOREVER, you cannot change that. Under the terms of the
ASL we can modify it and distribute and make derivitives from it in
further versions FOREVER.<br>
<br>
I have made that clear, your code will not be removed, this matter
is closed and you will achieve nothing more in discussing this
further here. Any further discussions should take place between
legally qualified people.<br>
<br>
Now grow up and stop embarassing yourself.<br>
<br>
Mark<br>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Yusuke</div>
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<div>On Sep 1, 2010, at 4:22 PM, Mark Proctor wrote:</div>
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<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> On 01/09/2010
02:50, 山本 裕介 wrote:
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">At the
time of your contributions to Drools
and other projects you were a Red Hat
employee. The Red Hat legal department
has determined that it has the right
to copy, modify and distribute your
contributions under the Apache License
version 2.0 and considers this matter
closed. </p>
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<div>Richard didn't explain that. </div>
<div>I didn't use Red Hat time to fix those bugs,
translate message resources. I believe that "I
am/was a Red Hat employee" doesn't matter. I'm not
paid for the task.</div>
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"At the time the code was contributed in good faith
under the Apache license, you cannot then decide at
a later date to change your mind."
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<div>My understanding is that people just do not
want to undone their contributions usually. That
is how OSS works.</div>
<div>
<div>Technically the copyright holder of
translated message resources, program codes is
the originator.</div>
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<div>I agreed to distribute my work under the ASL,
but I didn't tell that I willingly give away the
copyright to the project.</div>
<div>Anybody who originates their work (i.e. the
copyright holder) should be able to decide the
license at a later date.</div>
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No that is not the way that OSS licensing works. You
as the copyright holder may release future versions of
code you hold the copyright for under different
licenses. You cannot retro-actively change the license
of something.<br>
<br>
Imagine I release a project under ASL, I get a million
users. I then change my mind and revoke that and tell
those million users, you can't use that under OSS
anymore as i've changed my mind, if you want to use it
pay me 10 billion dollars. <br>
<br>
You are confusing copyright and licensing, go seek
legal council.<br>
<br>
Mark<br>
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<div>Richard, any comment?</div>
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<div>On Sep 1, 2010, at 8:27 AM, Michael Neale
wrote:</div>
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<blockquote type="cite">So is the reason that
there is a dispute over another copyright
holder? (ie these changes were copied in
violation of that copyright in the first
place) - or a case of changing-minds about
rights to the commits of the original work?
(if the latter then close the issue -
nothing can or should be done - as it is a
licencing issue then, not a copyright issue,
and as Mark says the licence doesn't permit
that revoking).
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2010 at 7:56 AM, Mark Proctor <span
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Yusuke,<br>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">At
the time of your contributions to
Drools and other projects you were
a Red Hat employee. The Red Hat
legal department has determined
that it has the right to copy,
modify and distribute your
contributions under the Apache
License version 2.0 and considers
this matter closed. If you have
any further need to discuss this
please do so with Red Hat legal, -
you have their contact details.<br>
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Even if you were not a Red Hat
employee, which you were at the
time, you cannot undo an OSS code
contribution, that is not how OSS
licensing works. At the time the
code was contributed in good faith
under the Apache license, you
cannot then decide at a later date
to change your mind. The OSS
licenses, be it ASL or LGPL or
GPL, are designed specifically to
provide certainty in that area.
Without this level of certainty
end user OSS adoption would be a
minefield as every time developers
fall out, which happens often, one
could demand all their code be
removed and this would impact
everyone who has invested time
installing that software in
production systems.<br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">Mark<br>
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On 31/08/2010 17:41, 山本 裕介
wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">I have
consulted RH legal dept. only
to get no meaningful response.
<div>I guess Edson is the one
who commit most of these
files.<br>
<div>The how and why they
need to be uncommitted is
attached to the Jira
issue.</div>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Yusuke</div>
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<div>On Sep 1, 2010, at
1:34 AM, Mauricio
Salatino wrote:</div>
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<blockquote type="cite">Hi
Yusuke, good question.
I'm not sure where is
the right place, but
you are only asking to
rollback your changes
right?<br>
who commit all your
contributions to the
jboss repo?<br>
I also saw that you
mention: "For several
reasons, I decided to
withdraw those
contributions
introduced from my
spare time. "<br>
can you mention those
reasons? so we, as
community can learn
why you want to remove
your contributions.
I'm just curious.<br>
Greetings.<br>
<br>
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Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at
12:50 PM, 山本 裕介 <span
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1ex;">Where is the
appropriate forum
for copyright
issues?<br>
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On Sep 1,
2010, at 12:45
AM, Greg
Barton wrote:<br>
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> This is
not the
appropriate
forum for
copyrighgt
issues.<br>
><br>
> GreG<br>
><br>
> On Aug
31, 2010, at
9:40, 山本 裕介
<<a
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wrote:<br>
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> Hi,<br>
><br>
> There's a
copyright
violation
issue on
Drools 5.1
release.<br>
> Please
remove the
changes listed
in the
following
issue.<br>
> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://jira.jboss.org/browse/JBRULES-2660" target="_blank">https://jira.jboss.org/browse/JBRULES-2660</a><br>
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> Thanks,<br>
> Yusuke<br>
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