[rules-users] permgen leak

adarsh.chaini at hsbcib.com adarsh.chaini at hsbcib.com
Thu Jan 16 05:09:22 EST 2014


Mark,

Thanks for your reply.

We have been testing against  5.5.0.Final  and  we faced some problems .
One of the problem was that we had a quick fix  to mvel component from 
redhat guys (with their good will )to one of the critical  concurrency 
issues we faced .But it seems that fix is not  part of these community 
releases and there has been changes to mvel after that change.

Is there a way that we can make  the same permgen  fix to the 5.4.0.Final 
codebase?.
Or 
Is this possible to get the concurrency  fix  these newer versions?.


Thanks and regards,

Adarsh CHAINI 
SENIOR LEAD DEVELOPMENT SPECIALIST | HSBC Bank Plc
8 Canada Square, London E14 5HQ, UK
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From:
Mark Proctor <mproctor at codehaus.org>
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Date:
15/01/2014 21:05
Subject:
Re: [rules-users] permgen leak
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why not just update to 5.6, it?s fixed there.
http://downloads.jboss.org/drools/release/5.6.0.Final/

You can specify dialect at the top of the drl file, to be applied to all 
rules in that file. But that?s about it.

Mark
On 15 Jan 2014, at 20:51, adarsh.chaini at hsbcib.com wrote:

Is this possible to set everything to MVEL Dialect as we are using 
JavaDialect  in all our rules. 
We had this few times before and we managed to avoid it with usage of 
CMSClassUnlaoadingEnabled . 
But this has again comeback recently because the rate at which the classes 
are produced with load,CMS is unable to collect  the permgen space at same 
rate so it trips

Thanks and regards,

Adarsh CHAINI 
SENIOR LEAD DEVELOPMENT SPECIALIST | HSBC Bank Plc
8 Canada Square, London E14 5HQ, UK 
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From: 
Mark Proctor <mproctor at codehaus.org> 
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Date: 
15/01/2014 18:27 
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Re: [rules-users] permgen leak 
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You can try setting everything to the MVEL dialect, and also forcing MVEL 
to reflection via the system property (turning off jit) 
http://mvel.codehaus.org/Disabling+the+JIT+Compiler 

Mark 
On 15 Jan 2014, at 18:23, adarsh.chaini at hsbcib.com wrote: 

Hi Mark/Davide 

Is there a work around to this problem in 5.4?.


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Adarsh CHAINI 
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8 Canada Square, London E14 5HQ, UK 
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From: 
Mark Proctor <mproctor at codehaus.org> 
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Date: 
08/01/2014 04:46 
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Re: [rules-users] permgen leak 
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For anyone interested. The commit involves addressing two needs.
1) Enforcing MVEL reflection mode throughout - MVEL ASM optimiser can 
NEVER be used for anything (it doesn?t add much value anyway).
2) Avoiding giving the template system the root class loader(which we use 
for dynamic stuff), as those templates are statically cached.
https://github.com/sotty/drools/commit/1b75d4785861e72338cc5ea1280610a7937be017


Mark
On 8 Jan 2014, at 00:53, Mark Proctor <mproctor at codehaus.org> wrote:

> The root of the perm gen leak has now be solved,  thanks to some heroic 
work by community developer Davide Sottara.
> 
> This is just in time for the 5.6 release going out this week. You will 
not need to use the kbase.dispose() work around.
> 
> Mark
> On 6 Jan 2014, at 20:50, Mark Proctor <mproctor at codehaus.org> wrote:
> 
>> The 5.6 approach should be considered a work around, not a fix. 
Somewhere a ref is being held, that shouldn?t be - we just haven?t found 
it yet.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> On 6 Jan 2014, at 19:17, Davide Sottara <dsotty at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have run pmander's tests, and reported in a previous email.
>>> The leak in 5.x is due to the nature of the composite classloader, and
>>> dispose()
>>> forces the memory to be released. I don't remember if that fix was in
>>> 5.6.CR1
>>> (probably not), so you may have to try 5.6.0-SNAPSHOT or wait for the
>>> end of the week.
>>> 6.x does not suffer from the same problem, but has a different issue -
>>> no way
>>> to unload kie modules once they are cached - which Mario has been
>>> working on.
>>> In either case, pmander's test works fine in both 5.6.x and 6.x after
>>> these fixes
>>> Davide
>>> 
>>> On 01/06/2014 07:56 PM, Mark Proctor wrote:
>>>> I?ve been  told 5.6 will be released this week. This is because the 
JCR2GIT migration tool, in 5.6 is needed for our 6.0 product. 
>>>> 
>>>> Davide's current kbase.dispose() method, on the concrete class, 
should just be considered a work around for the problem. Unless this is 
fixed by someone in the community, I don?t think any core developers will 
have time to address this. At least not for 5.x; we?ll continue to look 
into it for 6.x.
>>>> 
>>>> Mark
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 6 Jan 2014, at 16:14, brachi <brachi.w at sapiens.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> see previous messages, pmander attached a unit test
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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