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color=#0000ff size=2>Are there any (port 80) mirrors from where I can download
M1?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2>The subversion repository at <A
href="http://labs.jboss.com">http://labs.jboss.com</A> (<A
href="http://65.244.175.212:8080/portal/jbossrules/subversion.html">http://65.244.175.212:8080/portal/jbossrules/subversion.html</A>)
is inaccessible through our company firewalls (well, I get HTTP500 in
reply).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2>Cheers,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2>Mike</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> rules-users-bounces@lists.jboss.org
[mailto:rules-users-bounces@lists.jboss.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Mark
Proctor<BR><B>Sent:</B> 05 February 2007 12:43<BR><B>To:</B> Rules Users
List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [rules-users] BRMS: Evaluation: JBoss Rules
3.2?<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Sorry you Q was about ruleflow in general, not just general
releases. Yes RuleFlow is in there and Kris has already done some basic
tooling. We are currently trying to decide whether we have the ruleflow as xml
or something like drl. As you do ruleflows with tooling we are tempted to keep
it xml.<BR><BR>Mark<BR>Anstis, Michael (M.) wrote:
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color=#0000ff size=2>Hi,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=701271511-05022007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Is there any update as to the availability of ruleflow
in 3.2 as it's become pivotal to our use of JBoss Rules?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=701271511-05022007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Thanks,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2>Mike</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Mark Proctor [<A
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<BR><B>Sent:</B> 23 January 2007 16:50<BR><B>To:</B> Anstis, Michael
(M.)<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [rules-users] BRMS: Evaluation: JBoss Rules
3.2?<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>as soon as MVEL is ready we'll do an M1, but the
ruleflow part is not exposed to thte drl language yet, that will take a
few more weeks.<BR><BR>Mark<BR>Anstis, Michael (M.) wrote:
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class=768253116-23012007>I might have a play around just to see how I
get on, but think I'll wait for 3.1 before I get "serious" - can I get
the latest (unstable) code (is it CVS or somewhere)?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=768253116-23012007>- and I won't be using this private address
ongoing (I didn't want to hit the rules list with news of your
latest code).</SPAN></FONT></DIV><BR>
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<B>On Behalf Of </B>Mark Proctor<BR><B>Sent:</B> 23 January 2007
16:13<BR><B>To:</B> Rules Users List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
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3.2?<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>not sure its that simple as the stack concept
is built into the engine. but good luck.<BR><BR>Mark<BR>Anstis,
Michael (M.) wrote:
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face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Thanks Mark,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=747072111-23012007><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I think I've got the hang of
AgendaGroups!!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=747072111-23012007></SPAN><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT
size=2>Presumably if I sub-class <SPAN
class=747072111-23012007>Default</SPAN>Agenda<SPAN
class=747072111-23012007> and override
</SPAN>setFocus(AgendaGroup ag)<SPAN class=747072111-23012007>
and </SPAN>getNextfocus()<SPAN class=747072111-23012007> I can
implement my own flow-like mechanism instead of the standard stack.
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN class=747072111-23012007>I'd need
to add a way in which to override the DefaultAgenda created in
ReteooWorkingMemory's constructor too but this again should be
a simple sub-class (together with a subclass of ReteooRulebase
with override of newWorkingMemory and a new RuleBaseFactory to allow
me to construct these new objects).
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2><SPAN class=747072111-23012007>Anything major I've missed -
my experience with rules engines now totals a couple of weeks and
it's possible I'm missing the point!!</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=747072111-23012007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>With kind regards,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>Mike</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<B>On Behalf Of </B>Mark Proctor<BR><B>Sent:</B> 22 January 2007
16:33<BR><B>To:</B> Rules Users List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[rules-users] BRMS: Evaluation: JBoss Rules
3.2?<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>Anstis,<BR><BR>We don't have ruleflow,
but we do have AgendaGroups which can provide a form of rule flow,
just that its actually stack based. I'm working on a more general
ruleflow idea at the moment, it may make it into the end of Q1
release, but its not defnite yet.<BR><BR>Normally you cache the
rulebase in a singleton and then just creating working memory
instances as and when you need to - creating a working memory is
light.<BR><BR>The guided gui builder is for 3.2, it's web only
based on GWT, I believe that it will also do DSLs (Mic will have
to confirm that).<BR><BR>Mark<BR>Anstis, Michael (M.) wrote:
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<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi,</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm evaluating BRMS's for a new
project at work.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>JBoss Rules today swung into pole
position however I am unclear on a number of features. I wonder
whether this user-group can help?</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>I list a number of aspects I "think"
are currently missing in JBoss Rules together with my thoughts:
If anybody can clarify the position, provide alternatives or
help push JBoss Rules I'd be pleased to hear!</FONT></P>
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<LI><FONT face=Arial size=2>We require ruleflow (where rules
run sequentially; like "identify all machines X" then
"calculate prices" - not perhaps a good illustration as this
could be written as one rule "calculate all prices using
machine XXX"!!!). Ideally "dynamic" ruleflow is required too -
where the next rule in a sequence is determined by the outcome
of a preceding rule (I have seen dynamic achieved with
"trigger" Facts asserted as the RHS of rules however our
"Business Users" cannot be expected to author rules following
this design pattern. I have also seen static implemented with
salience). Is ruleflow (static or dynamic) part of 3.2 -
otherwise we'll need to categorise rules having different
types fired throughout a "coded" process in Java.</FONT> <BR>
<LI><FONT face=Arial size=2>A J2EE runtime to provide
scalability of the RETE engine. We need to have the engine
being shared across sessions on a web-server. What experiences
have others had? Do you simply provide a working memory
instance per session (how does this scale horizontally?). I
also read that an Application Server runtime would be part of
3.2, is this true?</FONT> <BR>
<LI><FONT face=Arial size=2>A rule authoring environment for
end-users. I read on Mark Proctor's blogg that this is in
development but is it set for inclusion in 3.2 and does it
handle DSL too; otherwise we'd have to write out own?</FONT>
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<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>With kind regards,</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face="Goudy Old Style" color=#808080 size=4>Michael
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