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The code for M1 is ready, I'm fighting maven at the moment and losing
:( Btw anyone from the community that wants to work on our build system
would be very much appreciated and will help us put out releases
faster. Currently we use ant with embedded maven, we want to go to 100%
maven but keep hitting bugs :( The latest one is profiles for ydoc.
Anyway if your a maven wiz and want help, please do contact us.<br>
<br>
Mark<br>
Anstis, Michael (M.) wrote:
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="701271511-05022007"><font
color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Hi,</font></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="701271511-05022007"><font
color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Is there any update as to the
availability of ruleflow in 3.2 as it's become pivotal to our use of
JBoss Rules?</font></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="701271511-05022007"><font
color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Thanks,</font></span></div>
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color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Mike</font></span></div>
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<hr tabindex="-1"> <font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> Mark
Proctor [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:mproctor@codehaus.org">mailto:mproctor@codehaus.org</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> 23 January 2007 16:50<br>
<b>To:</b> Anstis, Michael (M.)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [rules-users] BRMS: Evaluation: JBoss Rules 3.2?<br>
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as soon as MVEL is ready we'll do an M1, but the ruleflow part is not
exposed to thte drl language yet, that will take a few more weeks.<br>
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Mark<br>
Anstis, Michael (M.) wrote:
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"
size="2"><span class="768253116-23012007">I might have a play around
just to see how I get on, but think I'll wait for 3.1 before I get
"serious" - can I get the latest (unstable) code (is it CVS or
somewhere)?</span></font></div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"
size="2"><span class="768253116-23012007">- and I won't be using this
private address ongoing (I didn't want to hit the rules list with news
of your latest code).</span></font></div>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Proctor<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 23 January 2007 16:13<br>
<b>To:</b> Rules Users List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [rules-users] BRMS: Evaluation: JBoss Rules
3.2?<br>
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not sure its that simple as the stack concept is built into the engine.
but good luck.<br>
<br>
Mark<br>
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color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Thanks Mark,</font></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="747072111-23012007"><font
color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">I think I've got the hang of
AgendaGroups!!</font></span></div>
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<div><span class="747072111-23012007"></span><font
face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff"><font size="2">Presumably if I sub-class <span
class="747072111-23012007">Default</span>Agenda<span
class="747072111-23012007"> and override </span>setFocus(AgendaGroup ag)<span
class="747072111-23012007"> and </span>getNextfocus()<span
class="747072111-23012007"> I can implement my own flow-like mechanism
instead of the standard stack. </span></font></font></font><font
face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff"><font size="2"><span
class="747072111-23012007">I'd need to add a way in which to override
the DefaultAgenda created in ReteooWorkingMemory's constructor too but
this again should be a simple sub-class (together with a subclass of
ReteooRulebase with override of newWorkingMemory and a new
RuleBaseFactory to allow me to construct these new objects). </span></font></font></font><font
face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff" size="2"><span
class="747072111-23012007">Anything major I've missed - my experience
with rules engines now totals a couple of weeks and it's possible I'm
missing the point!!</span></font></font></div>
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<div><span class="747072111-23012007"><font color="#0000ff"
face="Arial" size="2">With kind regards,</font></span></div>
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<div><span class="747072111-23012007"><font color="#0000ff"
face="Arial" size="2">Mike</font></span></div>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Proctor<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 22 January 2007 16:33<br>
<b>To:</b> Rules Users List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [rules-users] BRMS: Evaluation: JBoss
Rules 3.2?<br>
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Anstis,<br>
<br>
We don't have ruleflow, but we do have AgendaGroups which can provide a
form of rule flow, just that its actually stack based. I'm working on a
more general ruleflow idea at the moment, it may make it into the end
of Q1 release, but its not defnite yet.<br>
<br>
Normally you cache the rulebase in a singleton and then just creating
working memory instances as and when you need to - creating a working
memory is light.<br>
<br>
The guided gui builder is for 3.2, it's web only based on GWT, I
believe that it will also do DSLs (Mic will have to confirm that).<br>
<br>
Mark<br>
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<p><font face="Arial" size="2">Hi,</font> </p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2">I'm evaluating BRMS's for
a new project at work.</font> </p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2">JBoss Rules today swung
into pole position however I am unclear on a number of features. I
wonder whether this user-group can help?</font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2">I list a number of aspects
I "think" are currently missing in JBoss Rules together with my
thoughts: If anybody can clarify the position, provide alternatives or
help push JBoss Rules I'd be pleased to hear!</font></p>
<ul>
<li><font face="Arial" size="2">We require ruleflow
(where rules run sequentially; like "identify all machines X" then
"calculate prices" - not perhaps a good illustration as this could be
written as one rule "calculate all prices using machine XXX"!!!).
Ideally "dynamic" ruleflow is required too - where the next rule in a
sequence is determined by the outcome of a preceding rule (I have seen
dynamic achieved with "trigger" Facts asserted as the RHS of rules
however our "Business Users" cannot be expected to author rules
following this design pattern. I have also seen static implemented with
salience). Is ruleflow (static or dynamic) part of 3.2 - otherwise
we'll need to categorise rules having different types fired throughout
a "coded" process in Java.</font> <br>
</li>
<li><font face="Arial" size="2">A J2EE runtime to
provide scalability of the RETE engine. We need to have the engine
being shared across sessions on a web-server. What experiences have
others had? Do you simply provide a working memory instance per session
(how does this scale horizontally?). I also read that an Application
Server runtime would be part of 3.2, is this true?</font> <br>
</li>
<li><font face="Arial" size="2">A rule authoring
environment for end-users. I read on Mark Proctor's blogg that this is
in development but is it set for inclusion in 3.2 and does it handle
DSL too; otherwise we'd have to write out own?</font> <br>
</li>
</ul>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2">With kind regards,</font> </p>
<p><font color="#808080" face="Goudy Old Style" size="4">Michael
Anstis</font><br>
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