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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;color:navy'>If we do publish them then we will re-run the tests against
the latest release. Maybe we can send you the tests for validation if we decide
to publish them. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color:windowtext'> rules-users-bounces@lists.jboss.org
[mailto:rules-users-bounces@lists.jboss.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Mark Proctor<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, November 20, 2007
3:24 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Rules
Users List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [rules-users] Drools
and BRMS (60,000+ rules)</span></font><font color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-family:"Times New Roman";color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
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did some simple micro performance/scalability testing a while back on Drools
4.0.1 where we came to a similar conclusion. We may even publish our test
results (and improve our tests) in the future.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>sure, but if you could
give us a bit to tweak trunk, so if we publish old stats we can say, but
atleast its improving. We'll be focusing on this end of the year, beginning of
the new year.<br>
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10.0pt;color:navy'>Len<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Mark Proctor<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, November 20, 2007
12:46 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName u4:st="on"><st1:PersonName
w:st="on">Rules Users List</st1:PersonName></st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [rules-users] Drools
and BRMS (60,000+ rules)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><st1:PersonName u4:st="on"><st1:PersonName w:st="on"><font
size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Carlsen, Len</span></font></st1:PersonName></st1:PersonName>
wrote: <u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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a lot for your comments, Mark. Since our new Student Information System will be
open source we would be more than happy to make contributions back into the
community. <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;color:navy'>Since our SIS will be based on SOA principles, we are
thinking of Making Drools a decision service (web service) for a single entry
point since we don’t want to have thousands of rule services.<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;color:navy'><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;color:navy'>Thanks,<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;color:navy'><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;color:navy'>Len</span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Mic's been doing some scalability
profiling for you. Engine execution can scale to 60K rules, however the
compilation and build process is quite slow at that large numbers.
The good news is we have never profiled and optimised our compilation and build
processes, we haven't had the use cases yet to warrant this - so we can
definitely make some improvements here, when we get time :)<br>
<br>
<br>
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<u1:p></u1:p>
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color:windowtext'> <a href="mailto:rules-users-bounces@lists.jboss.org"
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Mark Proctor<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, November 17, 2007
9:44 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName u6:st="on"><st1:PersonName u4:st="on"><st1:PersonName
w:st="on">Rules Users List</st1:PersonName></st1:PersonName></st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [rules-users] Drools
and BRMS (60,000+ rules)</span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><u5:p> </u5:p><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><st1:PersonName u6:st="on"><st1:PersonName u4:st="on"><st1:PersonName
w:st="on"><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Carlsen,
Len</span></font></st1:PersonName></st1:PersonName></st1:PersonName> wrote: <u5:p></u5:p><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;color:navy'>I am wondering if anyone has any experience in managing very
large rule sets and facts and could share their experiences in the design and
management of this.<u7:p></u7:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;color:navy'>We are embarking on a new Student Information System project
here at UBC in conjunction with several other American universities. We
have pretty much decided to use Drools as our rules engine and maybe also the
Drools BRMS for our business rules management. Our first application is
the course curriculum application/module where we will manage course co-requisites,
pre-requisites, etc. and we estimate that we will have about 20,000 course
rules. We currently have about 15,000 course rules (QuickRules) in production
now. We will also have security rules, input/form validation rules, student
awards rules, degree rules, enrolment rules, admission rules, student financial
rules etc. which will total about 40,000 rules. So currently we are looking at
managing about 60,000 rules (not including versioning). If we include
versioning then there would probably be more than 100,000 rules.</span></font><u5:p></u5:p><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>We are using jackrabbit
JCR, I think it can handle this, but I don't have any hard figures for the
scalability. If it works for you, please do let us know :)<br>
<br>
<br>
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10.0pt;color:navy'><u7:p></u7:p><u7:p><u5:p></u5:p> </u7:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;color:navy'>Example:<u7:p></u7:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;color:navy'>A single course could have 10 or more rules per course version.
We currently have about 2000 course and most courses have more than 1 version.<u7:p></u7:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;color:navy'>We are looking into developing our own rules management
system to define dependencies between rules, courses (facts) and course + rule
versions. E.g. Course CHEM101 version 1 links to CHEM101 a single rule or a
rule set/package version 1 by a rule id.<u7:p></u7:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;color:navy'>We need the ability to notify users when rules are modified
which impacts other rules and what impact changing a rule can cause for example
a degree program. E.g. changing a course‘s pre-requisite may affect other
courses’ pre-requisites; rules about rules. We also need the ability to
find out why a student was not able to register for a course etc. We will also
need to show the course dependency graph visually (the RDBMS can probably help
us here). Later, we are hoping to use the Drools Solver for course and exam
scheduling and also to use it for student degree planning and student awards.</span></font><u5:p></u5:p><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>We don't currently have
an exposed event model in the BRMS or change notification. However this would
not be hard to add, maybe you could help us? We have drools-analytics which
will create an api with the change impact requirements you need, it is not yet
currently integrated into the BRMS, bit if you do the notificatino part it
should be easy enough to add.<br>
<br>
<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;color:navy'>We will need to translate the rules into English language
syntax for publication in the course calendar and later into other languages
(first French) since the SIS application will be used internationally. Listing
requirements could just be shown in bulleted form. Probably can’t use the
DSL in this case since we would need to support several languages or maybe I am
wrong here?</span></font><u5:p></u5:p><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>DSL are just a
templating language, if can be made to look english like - if that's what you
need. You also have the "docementation" field in the BRMS, which you
can use. If you have other ideas please spec them out in a JIRA and we'll look
inoto doing them in the future, or maybe you can help us :)<br>
<br>
<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;color:navy'>If we use the Drools BRMS to store all of our rules on a
relational database, will we be able to write SQL queries to get at specific
rules/packages to link facts (courses) to rules? Or do we have to go through
the BRMS to get at the rules. Does BRMS have a facility to validate rules
against facts so you can see if your rules execute correctly against your
data/facts before committing your rules. Or maybe we need a testing framework
for this.</span></font><u5:p></u5:p><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>We use JackRabbit JCR,
we provide high level apis to accessing data, but you an ofcourse ue the
jackrabbit low level apsi - if you really know what you are doing. We have the
ability to validate the compilation of the rules, scenario testing is currently
being added and will be in the next release.<br>
<br>
<br>
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</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;color:navy'>Other issues are the performance of the Drools Solver and
having thousands of rules compiled, loaded and running. During registration we
could have thousands of rules executing concurrently. The rules engine and the
BRMS would be services as part of an SOA infrastructure (and an OSGi service
environment). Anyone got any experience with Drools in an OSGi
environment with respect to class loading issues when compiling rules and facts
from other bundles since rules and facts may be in different bundles? Bundle
buddy class loading?</span></font><u5:p></u5:p><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>No but it is something
that interests us, please give us your OSGi feedback. Solver is not currently a
supported product, its very much R&D alphaware, but I'm sure geoffrey would
love your feedback, good to see people are evaluating it.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;color:navy'>Later, we will need translators to/from other rule engines;
maybe ruleML and JCR can help us here.</span></font><u5:p></u5:p><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>JCR is jus a storage
repository, for rule translators you are on your own. However Drools itself is
language independant, we are exposing the api for pluggeable parsers - so in
theory you could write parsers for each of these.<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;color:navy'>So far, I think Drools can do most of this; am I correct
here? Does any of this sound plausible?</span></font><u5:p></u5:p><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>I'm sure you can get by
for now, and work with us to make it the best system for your needs.<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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