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<p>I'm working for Samsung SDS in Korea as a project leader and in contemplation
using Apache ODE and Drools.</p>
<p>When I was googling I saw your mail as below (Plz see bold) then I have a question about
integration between Apache ODE and Drools.</p>
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<p>I'd like to use Apache ODE as a business flow and Drools as a business rules
on my project because I think BPEL is a standard tools representing
business flow. </p>
<p>In details I'd like to implement in the way some node in BPEL flow can call Drools
business rules. </p>
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<p>Would you give me the information about whether and when you're planned to integrate
apache ODE into Drools?</p>
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<p>Thank you in advance </p>
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<p>JongGeuk</p>
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<p> Umesh Wankhede wrote:
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</PRE><TT>I am trying to evaluate various features (rules and workflow) of
Drools 5.0. What I understand from docs (drools-docs-flow.pdf -
page 5) is that the Drools flow engine is based on generic process
engine that allows the execution of different process languages
like RuleFlow, BPEL, OSWorkflow, etc. Although I am able to do PoC
(Proof of Concept) with RuleFlow, there isn't any
documentation/samples available for using BPEL as process
language. Also I don't find any more information on blogs, etc.
If anyone has done something similar, please let me know, or any
pointers would help. </TT></BLOCKQUOTE><TT>There is no BPEL product,
Drools COULD do BPEL, but we haven't made it do so yet. It is more
likely we would look to integrate an existing BPEL product like ODE, as
the execution engine is the easy bit, it's all the xml manipulations
that are time consuming. </TT></BLOCKQUOTE><TT>So that means I would have to go
with jBPM for BPEL support (and losing the advantage of tight rule
engine integration provided in Drools). How far would be the BPEL
support in Drools in the roadmap? </TT></BLOCKQUOTE><TT><b>If you are going to use
BPEL I would recommend ODE, jBPM BPEL is not BPEL 2.0, but 1.0, which
is very limited. ODE is likely to be the BPEL engine we integrated into
Drools. </b></TT><PRE style="margin:0em;">
</PRE><TT>More importantly though, have a good think on why it is you are using
BPEL, as in reality it's generally too low level for end users to use
effectively. </TT></BLOCKQUOTE><TT>The primary language would be
RuleFlow or jPDL, but we are also looking at BPEL support (product
requirements driven). So we have to make a choice between jBPM or
Drools 5.0. The latter option looks more suitable for our requirement
which provides tightly integrated rule support, but lack of BPEL
support currently is making the decision tougher.
</TT></BLOCKQUOTE><TT>If you are going to choose a BPEL product, make sure you
choose one that supports BPEL 2.0, or you'll be shooting yourself in
the foot, Apache ODE is the more complete BPEL 2.0 engine. </TT>
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