<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;font-size:10pt">Hi,<br><br>I'm not keen on spending time on a temp solution if I cannot estimate - at this time - how much time it will take me to build it correctly afterwards.<br>Budgets are limited... (as with anyone I guess :-)<br>Once again, it gives me a bad feeling that such a simple setup is giving me such a hard to solve issue.<br>I had thought that - given the project is only a very few classes - it would be peanuts for you or any other expert to pinpoint what I'm doing wrong.<br><br>Non the less... <br><br>I tried to have a look again to a number of examples and I changed my rules, with a positive result!<br>I seem to get the correct solution. But... I do not know if my changes are valid.<br>I mean, is it possible that I threw a number of possible solutions away?<br>Maybe this will not show right now but will have it's effect when numbers grow
and possible solutions shrink.<br><br>So what I did is going from<br><br>rule "tasksInSameJobMustBeInSamePeriod"<br> when<br> $taskA : MaintenanceTask($id : id, $jobId : jobId, $periodId : periodId )<br> MaintenanceTask(<span style="font-weight: bold;">id != $id</span>, jobId == $jobId, <span style="font-weight: bold;">periodId != $periodId</span> ) // <============ a != $a<br> then<br> System.out.println("r3: " + $taskA );<br> insertLogical(new IntConstraintOccurrence("tasksInSameJobMustBeInSamePeriod", $taskA));<br>end <br><div><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: tahoma,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style:
normal;"><span>to</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: tahoma,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: tahoma,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>rule "tasksInSameJobMustBeInSamePeriod"<br> when<br> $taskA : MaintenanceTask($id : id, $jobId : jobId, $periodId : periodId )<br> MaintenanceTask(<span style="font-weight: bold;">id > $id</span>, jobId == $jobId, <span style="font-weight: bold;">periodId > $periodId</span> ) // <================ a > $a<br> then<br> System.out.println("r3: " + $taskA );<br>
insertLogical(new IntConstraintOccurrence("tasksInSameJobMustBeInSamePeriod", $taskA));<br>end </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: tahoma,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: tahoma,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>Can you please tell me if this is THE solution or a dangerous move that works out now but will give issues when numbers grow?</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: tahoma,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: tahoma,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>Thanks a lot.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0,
0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: tahoma,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: tahoma,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>Michiel<br></span></div><div> </div><div>-----------------<br>http://www.codessentials.com - Your essential software, for free!<br>Follow us at http://twitter.com/#!/Codessentials<br></div> <div style="font-family: tahoma, new york, times, serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Geoffrey De Smet <ge0ffrey.spam@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Michiel Vermandel <mvermand@yahoo.com>; Rules Users List
<rules-users@lists.jboss.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, September 3, 2012 11:56 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Best model for planning? technicians, airplanes and shifts => insertLogical problems<br> </font> </div> <br>
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<div class="yiv1855155027moz-cite-prefix">Op 03-09-12 11:30, Michiel Vermandel
schreef:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;font-size:10pt;">
<div><span>I did not really start on one example. I have
scrolled through several to try to figure out how to do it,
then started from scratch for the POJO's and Rules. <br>
</span></div>
<div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13.3333px;font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;
background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span>The config file was
copies from one of the examples because it contained too
many things that were hard to get right in the beginning.</span></div>
<div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13.3333px;font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;
background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span>I know that is a risk
but I needed to start somewhere.</span></div>
<div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13.3333px;font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;
background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><br>
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</blockquote>
I am thinking how to standardize the getting started with planner
experience.<br>
The cloud balance quick start is the example I pushing at the
moment.<br>
But for specific use case, it's better to start from an example
that's similar to the user's use case.<br>
The trouble is, it's often hard to see which example is similar and
which is not.<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;font-size:10pt;">
<div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13.3333px;font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;
background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span></span></div>
<br>
<div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13.3333px;font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;
background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span>3) What does "The
workingMemory has 2 ConstraintOccurrence(s) in excess:"
really mean?</span></div>
<div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13.3333px;font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;
background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"> - Are the constraints
there more than once?</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
No, it means that in a clean WorkingMemory, those 2
ConstraintOccurrences aren't there,<br>
but in the incremental WorkingMemory, they are there.<br>
So they are in excess: they should have been automatically retracted
by the rule engine, but for some reason, they are not.<br>
<br>
Read this section about incremental score calculation to understand
why this complexity is needed:<br>
http://docs.jboss.org/drools/release/5.4.0.Final/drools-planner-docs/html_single/index.html#incrementalScoreCalculation<br>
<br>
If you just want to prove that a Planner POC works for now
(especially if you're close to giving up),<br>
just take a few minutes to switch to a simple Java score calculator
for now:<br>
http://docs.jboss.org/drools/release/5.4.0.Final/drools-planner-docs/html_single/index.html#d0e3336<br>
It will be _much_ slower especially when it scales out (but it
should still be faster than anything you can invent yourself within
reasonable time).<br>
Once that works fine and you get a good result on your toy problem
and you can scale out to 100+ jobs,<br>
then switch back to drools to scale out to 10000+ jobs and follow
the rest of this mail.<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;font-size:10pt;">
<div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13.3333px;font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;
background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"> - has this something to
do with the equals and hashcode (which I did implement (see
below))?</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
Likely. The equals/hashcode methods are used of all objects in the
causes parameter.<br>
It's a design issue in Planner that the planner entity's
equals/hashcode() needs to be used for the ConstraintOccurrence's
causes.<br>
Compensation action<br>
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<div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;font-size:10pt;">
<div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13.3333px;font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;
background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span><br>
</span></div>
<div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13.3333px;font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;
background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span class="yiv1855155027tab"> </span><span>About
the compensation action: is it already available on 5.4.0
final? Should I try that?</span></div>
</div>
</blockquote>
The plumbing is there in Drools Expert, but in Planner there are no
decent examples, supporting code or even complex experiments yet.<br>
It's a minefield, probably best to stay out until I get it done or
you have more Planner experience :/<br>
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<div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;font-size:10pt;">
<div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13.3333px;font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;
background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span><br>
</span></div>
<div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13.3333px;font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;
background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span>4) I have been looking
to the equals and hashcode, though found many examples that
implement solutionEquals and solutionHashcode instead.</span></div>
<div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13.3333px;font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;
background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span> Currently I
implemented them like this:</span></div>
<br>
<div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13.3333px;font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;
background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span> @Override<br>
public int hashCode() {<br>
return id.hashCode(); //(*)<br>
}<br>
<br>
@Override<br>
public boolean equals(Object o) {<br>
if (this == o) {<br>
return true;<br>
}<br>
if (id == null || !(o instanceof MaintenanceTask)) {<br>
return false;<br>
} else {<br>
MaintenanceTask other = (MaintenanceTask) o;<br>
return id.equals(<a target="_blank" href="http://other.id/">other.id</a>);<br>
}<br>
}</span></div>
<div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13.3333px;font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;
background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><br>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
Looks good<br>
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<div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13.3333px;font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;
background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span></span></div>
<div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13.3333px;font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;
background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><br>
</div>
<div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13.3333px;font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;
background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span> (*) id is a String
property which is passed into the entity object through the
constructor and upon cloning it is passed from the clone
source to the clone target:</span></div>
<div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13.3333px;font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;
background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"> <span class="yiv1855155027tab"> </span>
public MaintenanceTask clone() {<br>
<span class="yiv1855155027tab"> </span>System.out.println("Cloning
task " + id);<br>
<span class="yiv1855155027tab"> </span>MaintenanceTask clone =
new MaintenanceTask(job, id);<br>
<span class="yiv1855155027tab"> </span>clone.period =
this.period;<br>
<span class="yiv1855155027tab"> </span>clone.technician =
this.technician;<br>
<span class="yiv1855155027tab"> </span>return clone;<br>
<span class="yiv1855155027tab"> </span>}<br>
<span></span></div>
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</blockquote>
Looks good.<br>
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<div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;font-size:10pt;">
<div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13.3333px;font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;
background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span> <br>
</span></div>
<div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13.3333px;font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;
background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span><br>
</span></div>
<div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13.3333px;font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;
background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span> I am still
confused about:<br>
</span></div>
<div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13.3333px;font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;
background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span> - Which ones do I
need to implement (equals or solutionEquals, ...)?</span></div>
</div>
</blockquote>
because of this code:<br>
<a rel="nofollow" class="yiv1855155027moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" href="https://github.com/droolsjbpm/drools-planner/blob/master/drools-planner-core/src/main/java/org/drools/planner/core/score/constraint/ConstraintOccurrence.java#L54">https://github.com/droolsjbpm/drools-planner/blob/master/drools-planner-core/src/main/java/org/drools/planner/core/score/constraint/ConstraintOccurrence.java#L54</a><br>
which is called by drools on insertLogical inserted objects (see
drools expert manual on insertLogical)<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;font-size:10pt;">
<div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13.3333px;font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;
background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span> - Should an entity
and a cloned entity have the same result for both equals and
hashcode? (I guess so)</span></div>
</div>
</blockquote>
Yes, definitely.<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;font-size:10pt;">
<div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13.3333px;font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;
background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span> - Should only the
entity objects have such implementations? (Planning
variables are never cloned, right?)<br>
</span></div>
</div>
</blockquote>
It looks good. Only the entity's are cloned indeed during
cloneSolution(): they are the only instances that change during
planning.<br>
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background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span> </span><br>
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<hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b>
Geoffrey De Smet <a rel="nofollow" class="yiv1855155027moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:ge0ffrey.spam@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:ge0ffrey.spam@gmail.com"><ge0ffrey.spam@gmail.com></a><br>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Monday, September 3, 2012 10:44 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [rules-users] Best model for planning? technicians,
airplanes and shifts => insertLogical problems<br>
</font> </div>
<br>
Op 03-09-12 10:21, Michiel Vermandel schreef:<br>
> Hi Geoffrey,<br>
><br>
> Thanks for the support so far.<br>
> I understand that you do not provide full support on
this level.<br>
> Though I have the feeling that this is really<br>
> - a very basic solution setup<br>
> - a beginners-mistake and since I'm looking into it now
for about 3 days<br>
> (since I started with planner) it seems to be not
obvious to find for a<br>
> beginner.<br>
> So I was trying my luck in offering the code.<br>
> It could be an opportunity to enrich the documentation
;-) ;-)<br>
<br>
Good point, the score corruption problem is often a beginner
problem and <br>
it's a PITA. I 'll write some more docs about.<br>
<br>
Do note that your 3 day implementation should be able to
scale out to <br>
10000 planes pretty easily, so hang in there :)<br>
I fear you might have started copying from the wrong example
nqueens (if <br>
you did that) :/ Nurse rostering is a far more similar to
this kind of <br>
problem. I am not sure which example to promote in the docs:
the nqueens <br>
is simple enough to explain things on, but it's too simple
to copy from <br>
for real world stuff :/ Feedback welcome.<br>
<br>
><br>
><br>
> Ok,<br>
><br>
> 1) adding the $t2 results in the same sort of
exception, only<br>
> planningEntity seems different:<br>
><br>
> with insertLogical(new<br>
>
UnweightedConstraintOccurrence("tasksInSameJobMustBeInSamePeriod",
$t1,<br>
> $t2));<br>
><br>
> Exception in thread "main"
java.lang.IllegalStateException: Score<br>
> corruption: the workingScore (-2) is not the
uncorruptedScore (0):<br>
> The workingMemory has 2 ConstraintOccurrence(s) in
excess:<br>
>
tasksInSameJobMustBeInSamePeriod/NEGATIVE_HARD:[Maintenance
of<br>
> Boeing 737 - PJ23.I#1 73111693, Maintenance of Boeing
737 - PJ23.I#2<br>
> 427578167]<br>
>
tasksInSameJobMustBeInSamePeriod/NEGATIVE_HARD:[Maintenance
of<br>
> Boeing 737 - PJ23.I#2 427578167, Maintenance of Boeing
737 - PJ23.I#1<br>
> 73111693]<br>
> Check the score rules who created those
ConstraintOccurrences. Verify<br>
> that each ConstraintOccurrence's causes and weight is
correct.<br>
> at<br>
>
org.drools.planner.core.score.director.AbstractScoreDirector.assertWorkingScore(AbstractScoreDirector.java:101)<br>
> at<br>
>
org.drools.planner.core.constructionheuristic.greedyFit.decider.DefaultGreedyDecider.doMove(DefaultGreedyDecider.java:110)<br>
> at<br>
>
org.drools.planner.core.constructionheuristic.greedyFit.decider.DefaultGreedyDecider.decideNextStep(DefaultGreedyDecider.java:78)<br>
> at<br>
>
org.drools.planner.core.constructionheuristic.greedyFit.DefaultGreedyFitSolverPhase.solve(DefaultGreedyFitSolverPhase.java:63)<br>
> at<br>
>
org.drools.planner.core.solver.DefaultSolver.runSolverPhases(DefaultSolver.java:183)<br>
> at<br>
>
org.drools.planner.core.solver.DefaultSolver.solve(DefaultSolver.java:151)<br>
> at<br>
>
be.axi.planner.domain.MaintenancePlanning.main(MaintenancePlanning.java:27)<br>
><br>
> with insertLogical(new<br>
>
UnweightedConstraintOccurrence("tasksInSameJobMustBeInSamePeriod",
$t1));<br>
><br>
> Exception in thread "main"
java.lang.IllegalStateException: Score<br>
> corruption: the workingScore (-2) is not the
uncorruptedScore (0):<br>
> The workingMemory has 2 ConstraintOccurrence(s) in
excess:<br>
>
tasksInSameJobMustBeInSamePeriod/NEGATIVE_HARD:[Maintenance
of<br>
> Airbus A350 - XJ34.I#2 778813475]<br>
>
tasksInSameJobMustBeInSamePeriod/NEGATIVE_HARD:[Maintenance
of<br>
> Airbus A350 - XJ34.I#0 225744121]<br>
> Check the score rules who created those
ConstraintOccurrences. Verify<br>
> that each ConstraintOccurrence's causes and weight is
correct.<br>
> at<br>
>
org.drools.planner.core.score.director.AbstractScoreDirector.assertWorkingScore(AbstractScoreDirector.java:101)<br>
> at<br>
>
org.drools.planner.core.constructionheuristic.greedyFit.decider.DefaultGreedyDecider.doMove(DefaultGreedyDecider.java:110)<br>
> at<br>
>
org.drools.planner.core.constructionheuristic.greedyFit.decider.DefaultGreedyDecider.decideNextStep(DefaultGreedyDecider.java:78)<br>
> at<br>
>
org.drools.planner.core.constructionheuristic.greedyFit.DefaultGreedyFitSolverPhase.solve(DefaultGreedyFitSolverPhase.java:63)<br>
> at<br>
>
org.drools.planner.core.solver.DefaultSolver.runSolverPhases(DefaultSolver.java:183)<br>
> at<br>
>
org.drools.planner.core.solver.DefaultSolver.solve(DefaultSolver.java:151)<br>
> at<br>
>
be.axi.planner.domain.MaintenancePlanning.main(MaintenancePlanning.java:27)<br>
><br>
><br>
> 2) You suggested to replace
UnweightedConstraintOccurrence with<br>
> IntConstraintOccurrence. I will.<br>
> UnweightedConstraintOccurrence is used in the very
basic Queens example<br>
> though...<br>
<br>
Yep, my mistake.<br>
<br>
><br>
> 3) Where is the best place to read about what
insertLogical and<br>
> IntConstraintOccurrence really do?<br>
> What is the purpose of the Cause -objects, which should
be passed?<br>
> => where is the best place to find explanation about
this?<br>
> (<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://docs.jboss.org/drools/release/5.4.0.Final/drools-planner-docs/html_single/">http://docs.jboss.org/drools/release/5.4.0.Final/drools-planner-docs/html_single/</a><br>
> doesn't really enlighten me on that part)<br>
<br>
Look for "insertLogical" in the Drools Expert guide:<br>
<br>
<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://docs.jboss.org/drools/release/5.4.0.Final/drools-expert-docs/html_single/index.html">http://docs.jboss.org/drools/release/5.4.0.Final/drools-expert-docs/html_single/index.html</a><br>
<br>
When rules do an insertLogical of an object A, it's
discarded if another <br>
object B in the WorkingMemory equals object A (through
equals() and <br>
through hashcode()). Because the ConstraintOccurrences need
to be unique <br>
so they aren't discarded, they ruleId, constraintType and
causes are <br>
used for equals()/hashcode().<br>
<br>
Future work: "compensation action"<br>
Recently, drools introduced something called "compensation
action",<br>
which can probably replace the use
insertLogical(ConstraintOccurrence) <br>
and make the causes parameter obsolete.<br>
It's also faster.<br>
My first experiments look very promising, but I haven't got
time yet to <br>
experiment with it on all examples and make it easy for
users to use.<br>
<br>
It would allow us to do something like this in the then part
of a rule:<br>
hardAndSoftScoreHelper.addHardScore(-5);<br>
or<br>
hardAndSoftScoreHelper.addSoftScore(- $sum);<br>
or<br>
simpleScoreHelper.addScore(-7);<br>
<br>
No need for causes, insertLogicals, no equals/hashcode()
worries, much <br>
more flexible, ...<br>
<br>
<br>
4) Does your MaintenanceTask implement equals()/hashcode()
other than <br>
Object's original implementation?<br>
<br>
<br>
><br>
> Thanks in advance.<br>
><br>
<br>
yw<br>
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