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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Upal, I've been trying to model your
use case in what seems the best<br>
currently supported mode. (Un)fortunately this uncovered a little
bug in the engine,<br>
I'll get it fixed and then I'll get back to you.<br>
<br>
As for the fuzzy logic extension, I have a partially working PoC<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/droolsjbpm/drools-chance/tree/master/drools-chance-core">https://github.com/droolsjbpm/drools-chance/tree/master/drools-chance-core</a><br>
<br>
Examples are here:<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/droolsjbpm/drools-chance/blob/master/drools-chance-core/src/test/java/org/drools/chance/kbase/fuzzy/FuzzyKBTest.java">https://github.com/droolsjbpm/drools-chance/blob/master/drools-chance-core/src/test/java/org/drools/chance/kbase/fuzzy/FuzzyKBTest.java</a><br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/droolsjbpm/drools-chance/blob/master/drools-chance-core/src/test/java/org/drools/chance/kbase/usecases/FuzzyControllerTest.java">https://github.com/droolsjbpm/drools-chance/blob/master/drools-chance-core/src/test/java/org/drools/chance/kbase/usecases/FuzzyControllerTest.java</a><br>
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Some of the features we are (co)planning for 6.x will help a full
integration<br>
Best<br>
Davide<br>
<br>
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On 04/15/2013 09:45 PM, Upali Kohomban wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">hi Davide,<br>
<br>
Your summary is quite accurate about my case.<br>
<br>
Thanks for the pointer, I will look in to hybrid chaining once I
do a little investigation on why exactly the original problem
occurred. I'm still having little issues with the 5.5.1 source
compilation (for which your help worked flawlessly to get the
source working, but there were test fails during the
compilation. I will try myself to fix them before asking
questions on that).<br>
<br>
As i said, the bigger problem is with the rules that are
transitive in nature. Let's say there is a is_in rule which is
used to derive spacial relationships. For instance, a concrete
example<br>
<br>
is_in (uni_of_michigan, ann_arbor).<br>
is_in(ann_arbor, MI).<br>
is_in(MI, USA).<br>
is_in(A, C) <- is_in(A, B), is_in(B, C).<br>
<br>
I want to deduce (in general course of reasoning) such stuff as
is_in(uni_of_michigan, USA), but if I do it in the regular
drools way, I'd end up with a load of unnecessary deductions.
This is the biggest problem I have. If you want a more involved
concrete example, say I define (for the sake of simplicity)<br>
<br>
romantic(A) <- scenic(A), secluded(A).<br>
scenic(A) <- next_to(A, B), scenic_artefact(B).<br>
scenic_artefact(B) <- lake(B) or waterfall(B) or ... and so
on<br>
secluded(A) <- [ situated further than N km from the nearest
city ]<br>
<br>
Now this last rule is where logic gives way to POJO and
databases. It seems to me that this is the most sensible thing
to do. Also, this is as far as I want to go at the moment.
(Having known the non-boolean reasoning ability of drools from
your mail, I can think of many ways I want to use it :) )<br>
<br>
I looked into your profile and saw that you have a background on
the ontologies. Especially what you have mentioned under Drools
- "Open Source Knowledge Integration and Reasoning Platform" in
your university profile seems quite intersting and seems to be
exactly the things I might be needing in the near future. I was
thinking that I'll have to implement non-boolean reasoning using
some fuzzy toolkit, if it becomes available with drools I'll be
really happy to give it a try.<br>
<br>
If you have any material to share for further reading on your
drools research, I'd be grateful.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Upali<br>
<br>
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On 15/04/2013 03:10, Davide Sottara wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Correct me if I'm wrong, I would
summarize your requirements as follows:<br>
- you need some "A-box" reasoning, but you are fine with a
rule-based approach<br>
- the object-oriented integration Drools provides is quite
convenient<br>
- you have large data sets for which an opportunistic,
"query-oriented" approach<br>
would work better rather than a fully generative "forward
chaining" approach<br>
<br>
Drools "hybrid-chaining" approach could be very useful here -
I'm not sure how<br>
well documented it is, and how you are planning to use it, but
it would be interesting<br>
to see one of your rules - even "stripped" of the details you
don't want to show -<br>
to discuss the behaviour of the engine and its implications.<br>
<br>
I had a use case apparently very similar to yours some time
ago.. I'm working even<br>
now on some experimental forms of rule/object/ontology
integration. The "trait"<br>
feature might be an alternative to the explicit addition of
classes to objects .. it was<br>
enhanced a few days ago to support updates and modifications.
<br>
If you have an ontology to begin with, you might also be
interested in the ontology -> class<br>
conversion tool I'm working on even now<br>
<br>
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