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<br><font size="2" face="sans-serif">Thanks for your reply.</font>
<br></blockquote>This is a different discussion than the topic, which is about perm gen leaks. Please start new threads, for new topics.</div><div><a href="http://www.jboss.org/drools/lists">http://www.jboss.org/drools/lists</a></div><div><div>"Anti-patterns to be ignored or attract abuse from others:</div><div>12. Reply to an existing thread but starting a new topic"</div><blockquote type="cite">
<br><font size="2" face="sans-serif">We have been testing against 5.5.0.Final
and we faced some problems .</font>
<br><font size="2" face="sans-serif">One of the problem was that we had a
quick fix to mvel component from redhat guys (with their good will
)</font></blockquote>If you are a paying customer, best to use the customer portal. Questions are tracked under SLA, and help shape product updates.<br><blockquote type="cite"><font size="2" face="sans-serif">to one of the critical concurrency issues we faced .But it seems
that fix is not part of these community releases and there has been
changes to mvel after that change.</font>
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<br><font size="2" face="sans-serif">Is there a way that we can make the
same permgen fix to the 5.4.0.Final codebase?.</font>
<br></blockquote>we don’t do maintenance releases in community, i.e. no 5.4.1. </div><div><blockquote type="cite"><font size="2" face="sans-serif">Or </font>
<br><font size="2" face="sans-serif">Is this possible to get the concurrency
fix these newer versions?.</font>
<br></blockquote>The fix will be in the next product patch release, check with the customer portal for details.</div><div><br></div><div>Mark<br><blockquote type="cite">
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<br><font size="3">why not just update to 5.6, it’s fixed there.</font>
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<br><font size="3">You can specify dialect at the top of the drl file, to
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<br><font size="3">On 15 Jan 2014, at 20:51, </font><a href="mailto:adarsh.chaini@hsbcib.com"><font size="3" color="blue"><u>adarsh.chaini@hsbcib.com</u></font></a><font size="3">
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<br><font size="2" face="sans-serif">Is this possible to set everything to
MVEL Dialect as we are using JavaDialect in all our rules.</font><font size="3">
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We had this few times before and we managed to avoid it with usage of CMSClassUnlaoadingEnabled
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But this has again comeback recently because the rate at which the classes
are produced with load,CMS is unable to collect the permgen space
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You can try setting everything to the MVEL dialect, and also forcing MVEL
to reflection via the system property (turning off jit) </font><font size="3" color="blue"><u><br>
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On 15 Jan 2014, at 18:23, </font><a href="mailto:adarsh.chaini@hsbcib.com"><font size="3" color="blue"><u>adarsh.chaini@hsbcib.com</u></font></a><font size="3">
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For anyone interested. The commit involves addressing two needs.<br>
1) Enforcing MVEL reflection mode throughout - MVEL ASM optimiser can NEVER
be used for anything (it doesn’t add much value anyway).<br>
2) Avoiding giving the template system the root class loader(which we use
for dynamic stuff), as those templates are statically cached.</font></tt><font size="3" color="blue"><u><br>
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On 8 Jan 2014, at 00:53, Mark Proctor <</font></tt><a href="mailto:mproctor@codehaus.org"><tt><font size="2" color="blue"><u>mproctor@codehaus.org</u></font></tt></a><tt><font size="2">>
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> The root of the perm gen leak has now be solved, thanks to some
heroic work by community developer Davide Sottara.<br>
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> This is just in time for the 5.6 release going out this week. You
will not need to use the kbase.dispose() work around.<br>
> <br>
> Mark<br>
> On 6 Jan 2014, at 20:50, Mark Proctor <</font></tt><a href="mailto:mproctor@codehaus.org"><tt><font size="2" color="blue"><u>mproctor@codehaus.org</u></font></tt></a><tt><font size="2">>
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>> The 5.6 approach should be considered a work around, not a fix.
Somewhere a ref is being held, that shouldn’t be - we just haven’t found
it yet.<br>
>> <br>
>> Mark<br>
>> <br>
>> On 6 Jan 2014, at 19:17, Davide Sottara <</font></tt><a href="mailto:dsotty@gmail.com"><tt><font size="2" color="blue"><u>dsotty@gmail.com</u></font></tt></a><tt><font size="2">>
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>>> I have run pmander's tests, and reported in a previous email.<br>
>>> The leak in 5.x is due to the nature of the composite classloader,
and<br>
>>> dispose()<br>
>>> forces the memory to be released. I don't remember if that
fix was in<br>
>>> 5.6.CR1<br>
>>> (probably not), so you may have to try 5.6.0-SNAPSHOT or wait
for the<br>
>>> end of the week.<br>
>>> 6.x does not suffer from the same problem, but has a different
issue -<br>
>>> no way<br>
>>> to unload kie modules once they are cached - which Mario has
been<br>
>>> working on.<br>
>>> In either case, pmander's test works fine in both 5.6.x and
6.x after<br>
>>> these fixes<br>
>>> Davide<br>
>>> <br>
>>> On 01/06/2014 07:56 PM, Mark Proctor wrote:<br>
>>>> I’ve been told 5.6 will be released this week.
This is because the JCR2GIT migration tool, in 5.6 is needed for our 6.0
product. <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Davide's current kbase.dispose() method, on the concrete
class, should just be considered a work around for the problem. Unless
this is fixed by someone in the community, I don’t think any core developers
will have time to address this. At least not for 5.x; we’ll continue to
look into it for 6.x.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Mark<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> On 6 Jan 2014, at 16:14, brachi <</font></tt><a href="mailto:brachi.w@sapiens.com"><tt><font size="2" color="blue"><u>brachi.w@sapiens.com</u></font></tt></a><tt><font size="2">>
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>>>> <br>
>>>>> see previous messages, pmander attached a unit test<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> <br>
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