[seam-dev] Seam 3 space on JBoss Community

[Gavin King]

I think what you're missing in all this, Steve, is that my comments
are not really directed at the decision to migrate hibernate.org.
There were considerations affecting that decision that simply don't
apply to seamframework.org. And, well, it's done now, so
recriminations don't really serve much purpose.

Yes, I do think that the migration was badly executed (and I'm sorry
you're offended by that), but I would not be pressing the point or
even mentioning it here, were it not for the fact that there are
several people who are arguing that we should do the same thing to
seamframework.org. And they've been claiming, in the face of my
skepticism, that this could certainly be done without losing the
identity, look and feel, and general usability of the current site.
Essentially, they've tried to tell me that there would be no downside
to this migration. Which is a load of bull, frankly.

I'm picking on hibernate.org, not because I want to start a useless
fight with the folks who worked on that migration, but because it is
concrete proof of some of the points I've been making with respect to
seamframework.org, that have been dismissed by others.

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Steve Ebersole <steve at hibernate.org> wrote:

> Is the new site "perfect"?  No of course not.
>
> However, I invited the needed people to review it and none did.  I cannot
> jump through the internet and make people care man.  I will say that
> launching was a great way to get people to care, huh?
>
> But to claim that it should not have been moved to what you call a shit
> platform is retarded imo because it is moving from a shit platform.  And
> even worse, at the time the old site was a shit platform that  crashed
> regularly (we are required to have a total ghetto script in the background
> that monitors the site and if it becomes unresponsive restart the sevices).
>  Unfortunately JBoss.org is having problems too ever since the move, but in
> my defense they did not have the history of these issues prior to the move
> that the old hibernate.org site did
>
> The only real question here is whether moving to seam based solution would
> have been "better".  Well lets see...  Who would have done this migration?
>  You and I and Christian and other folks sat in coffee shop in Atlanta
> nearly 3 years ago and talked about moving hibernate.org to seamframework.
>  3 years!  So obviously this was not a priority.  For me to do it (which you
> must admit is how this played out) I had to decide between having help (from
> the jboss community team) or doing it all myself (apparently) to migrate it
> to this esoteric seam based site.  I don't have the time.  Period.


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