<div dir="ltr">Whatever we choose, we should start with just one (as we did with jBPM), but keep the design open to support multiple providers. I say that because we are going to learn a lot on the first go around and we don't want to spend too much time down in the weeds early on. I am inclined to say either JasperReports or Pentaho. The benefit of JasperReports is that there are already a lot of integrations available (one of which is the Spring integration which many of us have used at one point or another) so we can learn from them as we formulate our own ideas. But don't let that be the final word.<br>
<br>-Dan<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 4:10 PM, Sanne Grinovero <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sanne.grinovero@gmail.com">sanne.grinovero@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
please, don't forget Pentaho.<br>
they were looking very good already, and are improving a lot and at a<br>
very fast pace.<br>
additionally they have strong bounds with JBoss, as it's the default platform.<br>
<br>
Sanne<br>
<br>
2008/10/13 Pete Muir <<a href="mailto:pmuir@redhat.com">pmuir@redhat.com</a>>:<br>
<div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">> So, I guess the question is, do we want to do Jasper or BIRT?<br>
> On 13 Oct 2008, at 20:48, Dan Allen wrote:<br>
><br>
> Pete,<br>
><br>
> I think the main focus here is on the responsibility of who creates the<br>
> reports. The excel stuff is superb for developers who need to create reports<br>
> for management, etc. The BI is about management designing the reports and<br>
> the developers feeding the parameters to it from the UI (and all the<br>
> security and context that goes along with it).<br>
><br>
> The main focus for this relationship, and the one we should keep in mind<br>
> when designing it, is that you want to try to break the need to wait on the<br>
> developer to get a report through the system. Not only does this slow things<br>
> down, it ties up developer resources. At my previous job, we had a huge<br>
> problem with this because there was a neverending need to customize reports<br>
> for customers and thus the process was not scalable. BI is about putting the<br>
> consumers (or designers) of the reports in control.<br>
><br>
> -Dan<br>
><br>
> On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Pete Muir <<a href="mailto:pmuir@redhat.com">pmuir@redhat.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Snjezana has written some BIRT/Seam integration. But it needs a way to be<br>
>> used outside of Eclipse (she has no ant or maven targets, you must build<br>
>> your project with Eclipse).<br>
>><br>
>> But anyway, what does this offer over Seam PDF/Excel w/ VPE support?<br>
>><br>
>> On 13 Oct 2008, at 19:47, Dan Allen wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> I've brought up this point informally a couple of times, but I want to<br>
>>> make a more formal statement. I think we need to put some sort of BI<br>
>>> integration on the roadmap, mostly likely being with JasperReports.<br>
>>> Perhaps we can start brainstorming on how this integration might look<br>
>>> and then create some JIRAs for those features. For example, here's an<br>
>>> article on how Spring integrates with JasperReports.<br>
>>><br>
>>> <a href="http://java.dzone.com/articles/spring-web-mvc-spring-web-flow" target="_blank">http://java.dzone.com/articles/spring-web-mvc-spring-web-flow</a><br>
>>><br>
>>> My intention is not to try to outdo Spring, but rather to say that we<br>
>>> need to offer something native within Seam. I just spoke to former<br>
>>> colleagues last week and they are using JasperServer with JSF, but<br>
>>> mentioned that they had to do some glue code to get it all working<br>
>>> together.<br>
>>><br>
>>> -Dan<br>
>>><br>
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