Copying seam-dev because this seems very relevant ;)<br>--<br><br>A pitfall with the class/annotations configuration: the potential loss of ability for runtime modification during development. Being able to change configuration while the server is running, seeing your changes immediately, is a huge benefit for productivity.<br>
<br>I don't know if Seam2 provided runtime config reloading, but I would hesitate use a Java-based option. There are places where XML is useful, as long as it is kept simple. In my opinion, we need to be really careful when applying annotations/single objects to concepts with which they do not directly align, or "fit," in a one-to-one manner.<br>
<br>The enumeration concept is interesting because, unlike classes, enums do not claim to be anything more than "a representation of a set of concepts and some standard behaviors."<br>
<br> public enum MyAppPage implements Page<MyAppPage> {
<br> @View(.....)
<br> login {
<br> @Inject Login loginBean;
<br> public MyAppPage next(MyAppPage page, Object outcome) {
<br> if ( loginBean.isLoggedIn() )
<br> return main;
<br> else
<br> return login;
<br> }
<br> }<br> }<br><br>This forces all navigation logic from a specific view into one Enum definition, which is nicely centralized; however, I'm not sure what the intent is here: Is this a no-op navigation? <br><br>
@View(.....)
<br> main {
<br> public MyAppPage next(MyAppPage page, Object outcome) {
<br> return main;
<br> }
<br> },
<br><br> @View(.....)
<br> logout {
<br> public MyAppPage next(MyAppPage page, Object outcome) {
<br> return login;
<br> }
<br> };
<br><br>Also, how will this address the bookmarkability issue? How are parameters passed between pages? -- Pages.xml used explicit syntax for parameter passing:<br><pre class="XML"><a id="events.pageaction.navigation"><span class="xml_tag_symbols"><</span><span class="xml_tag_name">param</span><span class="xml_plain"> </span><span class="xml_attribute_name">name</span><span class="xml_tag_symbols">=</span><span class="xml_attribute_value">"documentId"</span><span class="xml_plain"> </span><span class="xml_attribute_name">value</span><span class="xml_tag_symbols">=</span><span class="xml_attribute_value">"#{documentEditor.documentId}"</span><span class="xml_tag_symbols">/></span><span class="xml_plain"></span></a></pre>
Which would be difficult to translate into an Enum solution like the one that Gavin suggested. I'm not seeing an immediate solution, save adding an additional method that returns a list of parameter names and expressions to be propagated, but now we're talking about a lot of boilerplate code in order to do something simple.<br>
<br>I'm probably going to lite a fire by saying this, but sometimes XML is more concise than Java. I'd like to be convinced that this is a good option to provide, and that it will be simpler or more usable than XML. Right now my gut is telling me that it's going to be more complicated both for our development, and the users'. <br>
<br>I am a big fan of the Injectability, and I think that's a strong point toward a native Java solution, but I'm not sure it's enough when you can already reference beans through EL in pages.xml and get direct access to both contexts and dependencies - giving you the best of both worlds in a pretty reusable way.<br>
<br>Thoughts?<br>Lincoln<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Marcell Manfrin Barbacena <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:barbacena@gmail.com" target="_blank">barbacena@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I posted this sometime ago and I think it relates to this then I am re-posting:<br>
<br>
--<br>
One of the things I would like to have is something like a plugable<br>
application module with JSF as in:<br>
<a href="http://wicketinaction.com/2008/10/creating-pluggable-applications-with-wicket-and-spring/" target="_blank">http://wicketinaction.com/2008/10/creating-pluggable-applications-with-wicket-and-spring/</a><br>
<br>
However if we stick with wicket to get the view part modularity the<br>
only thing necessary to have is a way to retreive all avaliable beans<br>
with a given Steriotype or Qualifier (the spring way is<br>
BeanFactoryUtils.beansOfTypeIncludingAncestors)<br>
--<br>
<br>
I think doing this pages configuration in java we could do the same<br>
feature with jsf. (But we would also need a bit more)<br>
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On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 5:51 PM, Arbi Sookazian <<a href="mailto:asookazian@gmail.com" target="_blank">asookazian@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Seam has a relatively small number of (mostly static) xml config files<br>
> (thank God). I'm not sure it's even necessary to convert the pages.xml to a<br>
> class or even if all users would want that. Yes, type safety is good, but<br>
> it's easier to read in xml format sometimes. If you leave the option of<br>
> class or xml then it's ok.<br>
><br>
> Is the Page class/enum going to be something that is extended or<br>
> polymorphic, etc? Why convert to OO if the only reason is type-safety<br>
> assurance in this case (plz don't beat this comment down, yes, maybe I'm<br>
> missing something).<br>
><br>
> It would be pretty cool if there was a new utility that converted a<br>
> pages.xml to class/OO format...<br>
><br>
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Stuart Douglas<br>
> <<a href="mailto:stuart@baileyroberts.com.au" target="_blank">stuart@baileyroberts.com.au</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> find . | grep xhtml | wc<br>
>> 392 392 21192<br>
>><br>
>> It's going to be a big enum... we would need to make sure that you could<br>
>> split it up.<br>
>><br>
>> The only real problem I have with this approach is that all the metadata<br>
>> that is availible is hard coded into the page class, which means the page<br>
>> class has to know about every module that wants to use page level metadata.<br>
>> Also, you can't really configure it via xml, which I am not too worried<br>
>> about but may alienate some users.<br>
>><br>
>> Stuart<br>
>><br>
>> On 19/02/2010, at 4:40 PM, Gavin King wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> > You should even be able to make this work:<br>
>> ><br>
>> > @View(.....)<br>
>> > login {<br>
>> > @Inject Login loginBean;<br>
>> > public MyAppPage next(MyAppPage page, Object outcome) {<br>
>> > if ( loginBean.isLoggedIn() )<br>
>> > return main;<br>
>> > else<br>
>> > return login;<br>
>> > }<br>
>> > },<br>
>> ><br>
>> > of course we would need a little infrastructure for injecting into enum<br>
>> > values.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 11:37 PM, Gavin King <<a href="mailto:gavin.king@gmail.com" target="_blank">gavin.king@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> > wrote:<br>
>> >> Oops, this is a MUCH better way to write this code:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> public enum MyAppPage implements Page<MyAppPage> {<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> @View(.....)<br>
>> >> login {<br>
>> >> public MyAppPage next(MyAppPage page, Object outcome) {<br>
>> >> if (Boolean.TRUE.equals(outcome))<br>
>> >> return main;<br>
>> >> else<br>
>> >> return login;<br>
>> >> }<br>
>> >> },<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> @View(.....)<br>
>> >> main {<br>
>> >> public MyAppPage next(MyAppPage page, Object outcome) {<br>
>> >> return main;<br>
>> >> }<br>
>> >> },<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> @View(.....)<br>
>> >> logout {<br>
>> >> public MyAppPage next(MyAppPage page, Object outcome) {<br>
>> >> return login;<br>
>> >> }<br>
>> >> };<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> }<br>
>> >><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > --<br>
>> > Gavin King<br>
>> > <a href="mailto:gavin.king@gmail.com" target="_blank">gavin.king@gmail.com</a><br>
>> > <a href="http://in.relation.to/Bloggers/Gavin" target="_blank">http://in.relation.to/Bloggers/Gavin</a><br>
>> > <a href="http://hibernate.org" target="_blank">http://hibernate.org</a><br>
>> > <a href="http://seamframework.org" target="_blank">http://seamframework.org</a><br>
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