Just two things.<br><br>1) I'm in South America and I can't sell Seam to my workmates using Seam's site. We have an excellent connection but site is veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeryyyyyyyyyyyyyy slow.<br>2) We've studied Seam's site code .... and my Goodness !! Only CB, GK, Einstein, Newton and Godel can understand it in three days only ! It isn't a very good advertising too, so.... in my unqualified opinion, if Seam 3 can live in other site.... great !<br>
<br> Best regards to everybody.<br><br><br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/3/18 Stuart Douglas <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stuart@baileyroberts.com.au">stuart@baileyroberts.com.au</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Perhaps a good place to start would be a seam 3 forum and and a 'Seam 3' entry on the side menu (like what was done for weld)?<br>
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Stuart<br>
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To: Gavin King<br>
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<div class="im">Subject: Re: [seam-dev] Seam 3 space on JBoss Community<br>
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</div><div class="im">Hi Guys,<br>
<br>
Honestly, either way this goes, I think that any changes on this should wait until Pete returns from vacation. This is a major change for the project and one that the project lead needs to be part of. I'm not aware of all the conversations related to this, so won't comment on the choices.<br>
<br>
Pete will be back the first week in April, and since I don't think there is any critical need to make the move I have a suggestion.<br>
<br>
</div>If you need new wiki pages, create them in the <a href="http://sfwk.org" target="_blank">sfwk.org</a><<a href="http://sfwk.org" target="_blank">http://sfwk.org</a>> wiki. If you want keep them separate from other wiki pages ( tags, naming, links, whatever ) and self contained. This way no one will be stopped from doing what they need to do, and either way the choice goes you will already have a head start.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
The Seam 3 information does need updating, as I can attest with reviewing the current builds and pages, but lets start with this approach, and then work this out as a team when Pete returns.<br>
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My $.05,<br>
Jay<br>
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</div><div class="im">On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 4:48 PM, Gavin King <<a href="mailto:gavin.king@gmail.com">gavin.king@gmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:gavin.king@gmail.com">gavin.king@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
Folks, I've listened to all the arguments. I really have. I'm not<br>
going to re-argue the case here, since we would just be beating a dead<br>
horse. And I've taken all these arguments into account in making the<br>
</div>decision that no, we are not going to use the <a href="http://jboss.org" target="_blank">jboss.org</a><<a href="http://jboss.org" target="_blank">http://jboss.org</a>> infrastructure<br>
<div class="im">instead of the purpose-built software that we created for our own<br>
special requirements.<br>
<br>
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Lincoln Baxter, III<br>
</div><div class="im"><<a href="mailto:lincolnbaxter@gmail.com">lincolnbaxter@gmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:lincolnbaxter@gmail.com">lincolnbaxter@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> I can personally submit my frustration as a new module lead -<br>
</div>> <a href="http://seamframework.org" target="_blank">seamframework.org</a><<a href="http://seamframework.org" target="_blank">http://seamframework.org</a>> is not enough to meet my needs in:<br>
<div class="im">><br>
> Engaging the community - promoting the project.<br>
<br>
How does the wiki software affect your ability to "engage the<br>
</div>community"? Actually, <a href="http://hibernate.org" target="_blank">hibernate.org</a><<a href="http://hibernate.org" target="_blank">http://hibernate.org</a>> and <a href="http://seamframework.org" target="_blank">seamframework.org</a><<a href="http://seamframework.org" target="_blank">http://seamframework.org</a>> have a much,<br>
<div class="im">much better and deeper track record of community building and<br>
</div>community engagement than <a href="http://jboss.org" target="_blank">jboss.org</a><<a href="http://jboss.org" target="_blank">http://jboss.org</a>>.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> Staying aware of what the community is doing, asking for, struggling with,<br>
</div>> talking about. I'm cut out completely on <a href="http://seamframework.org" target="_blank">seamframework.org</a><<a href="http://seamframework.org" target="_blank">http://seamframework.org</a>>. I can't get<br>
<div class="im">> email notifications,<br>
<br>
Geez. Use the Atom feed like I do. It's much more convenient. Or spend<br>
5 mins writing a little bit of code to extend the existing email<br>
notification stuff in seam wiki. This is going to be way less work<br>
than migrating content to a new infrastructure.<br>
<br>
> I can't paste links to replies, other threads on the<br>
> site itself, or URLs with query=parameters (without using the plain text<br>
> mode which is just terrible.)<br>
<br>
Huh?! I post links to comments and threads all the time. It's totally trivial.<br>
<br>
> Providing logically organized, clear, and navigable information. How can I<br>
> establish the expectations and guidelines for development on these modules<br>
> when I can't put that on a site that isn't confused with Seam 2 already?<br>
<br>
This is not an issue of what software platform we run on. We can<br>
install as many instances of Seam Wiki as we like. And I don't see why<br>
we can't put legacy Seam2-related content in a different area of the<br>
same site. That's just silly.<br>
<br>
> These are just a few of the issues I've encountered - aside from the fact<br>
> that the site is frequently down and is always semi-responsive (5-15s per<br>
> request). It's struggling to keep up with our needs.<br>
<br>
Funny, I have not seen it down any time in the past 2 years.<br>
Responsiveness is perfectly fine for me, and can easily be improved by<br>
moving it to a new box in the USA.<br>
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