Behold!<br><br><a href="http://community.jboss.org/thread/149690">http://community.jboss.org/thread/149690</a><br><br>Bring it up!!!<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 1:47 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ianmichell@gmail.com">ianmichell@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">I for one agree, it should not just be up to seam contributers / redhat folk to build the seam website, I think that it should be pushed out to the community that support it. I for one think that seam needs to maintain it's own website only because people that want to use seam or are investigating migration to seam will see the site as a showcase.<br>
<br>The community around seam are your friends; let them help and seam will end up better for it...<br><br>I am also quite willing to contribute where time allows!<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br>On , Tiago Reis <<a href="mailto:tiago.reis@cardmobili.com" target="_blank">tiago.reis@cardmobili.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Dan I understand your perspective, and I agree that improving the<br>> <br>> current website is probably not your biggest concern.<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> But something needs to be done, and I believe that if we can make the<br>
> <br>> community improve the website, QA and deploy shouldn't be a very big<br>> <br>> overload. There would be no need to make a lot of new versions, just<br>> <br>> release few, but good versions ;)<br>
> <br>> <br>> <br>> This could be a good way to promote community involvement in SEAM, at<br>> <br>> least it would give a lot of people a little of experience on working<br>> <br>> in a open source project and perhaps it would lower the entry barrier<br>
> <br>> to help with SEAM / WELD. I wonder on many using SEAM are comfortable<br>> <br>> with open source development?<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Either way, moving or not moving what I really want is a better<br>
> <br>> experience using the website, I really don't care much which one will<br>> <br>> we use :-)<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> And yes, I'm really really interested in helping out with Seam ;)<br>
> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 4:26 AM, Dan Allen <a href="mailto:dan.j.allen@gmail.com" target="_blank">dan.j.allen@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> <br>> > On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 7:25 PM, Tiago Reis <a href="mailto:tiago.reis@cardmobili.com" target="_blank">tiago.reis@cardmobili.com</a>><br>
> <br>> > wrote:<br>> <br>> >><br>> <br>> >> Hi,<br>> <br>> >> As a SEAM user I can tell that I really don't like the current website.<br>> <br>> >> Its hard to navigate, hard to find information, hard to keep track of my<br>
> <br>> >> threads in the forum, timeout time is too short, and some other things.<br>> <br>> >> If moving allows for a better experience, I'm all for it. But if we can<br>> <br>> >> improve the current web site in order to fix most of the issues that the<br>
> <br>> >> community complains I'm also good with that.<br>> <br>> >> If we keep on the current site, why not try to promote more actively that<br>> <br>> >> the community helps improving it? Put a link on the first page, pointing to<br>
> <br>> >> the most urgent issues on the site. I would love to help, but to be honest I<br>> <br>> >> don't know where to start. I bet that there are more people in my position.<br>> <br>> ><br>
> <br>> > Tiago, I see what your saying that getting the community involved with<br>> <br>> > improving the website would be in the spirit of open source development. And<br>> <br>> > if we were building collaborative software, that might be a good way<br>
> <br>> > to continuously enhance it. But that's the trouble. We are building an<br>> <br>> > integration framework, so working on the website is not really the best use<br>> <br>> > of the resources we have. Plus, you have to think about the fact that if we<br>
> <br>> > change the software, we need to involve QA, both to ensure it doesn't break<br>> <br>> > and to ensure the performance is acceptable. Then there is someone that<br>> <br>> > needs to upgrade it smoothly. So it's a fair amount of work.<br>
> <br>> > What would be better is to have contributors fix bugs or add enhancements to<br>> <br>> > Seam itself. For sure, we want to give you the steps to get started, but in<br>> <br>> > working on Seam, not the website. As for the wiki as an example Seam<br>
> <br>> > application, I think we could do a better job with more focused examples<br>> <br>> > that demonstrate specific features or that apply to different business<br>> <br>> > domains, rather than trying to put all the features into this one huge<br>
> <br>> > example (the wiki).<br>> <br>> > I'll also add that we can request improvements in the software that runs<br>> <br>> > JBoss Community. It's powered by Jive SBS (social business software), and<br>
> <br>> > they are continuously adding or refining features. So what is there today<br>> <br>> > isn't all there ever will be. And even that software has an extension API,<br>> <br>> > so you could contribute enhancements, though I'm not sure of the specifics<br>
> <br>> > at this point. I'd have to ask Mark. But hopefully you will be interested in<br>> <br>> > helping out with Seam instead ;)<br>> <br>> > -Dan<br>> <br>> > --<br>> <br>> > Dan Allen<br>
> <br>> > Senior Software Engineer, Red Hat | Author of Seam in Action<br>> <br>> > Registered Linux User #231597<br>> <br>> ><br>> <br>> > <a href="http://mojavelinux.com" target="_blank">http://mojavelinux.com</a><br>
> <br>> > <a href="http://mojavelinux.com/seaminaction" target="_blank">http://mojavelinux.com/seaminaction</a><br>> <br>> > <a href="http://www.google.com/profiles/dan.j.allen" target="_blank">http://www.google.com/profiles/dan.j.allen</a><br>
> <br>> ><br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> --<br>> <br>> Tiago Reis<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Cardmobili<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> UPTEC - Parque de Ciência e Tecnologia da Universidade do Porto<br>
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> <br>> <a href="mailto:tiago.reis@cardmobili.com" target="_blank">tiago.reis@cardmobili.com</a><br>> <br>> <br>> <br></div></div><div><div></div><div class="h5">> _______________________________________________<br>
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