I do like the idea of profile based JARs, makes a lot of sense.  While I get a lot of perspective on how splitting api and impl works well for engineering, for business app developers (like me) complexity of a project is defined by the number of JARs in the deployment.  If we show too many files in there it makes the project look too complicated.  <br>
<br>Hope that makes sense.<br><br>John<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 8:34 PM, George Gastaldi <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:gegastaldi@gmail.com">gegastaldi@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>I have to say that is such a pleasure to work with this team.</div><div>These ideas would certainly raise Seam to the top.<br>
<br>Em 09/06/2011, ąs 21:13, Shane Bryzak &lt;<a href="mailto:sbryzak@redhat.com" target="_blank">sbryzak@redhat.com</a>&gt; escreveu:<br>
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    Sounds good to me, as also the combined jars for various other
    profiles.  Jason, care to add this to the agenda for next week&#39;s IRC
    meeting and we can flesh it out a little further?<br>
    <br></div><div><div></div><div class="h5">
    On 10/06/11 08:40, Dan Allen wrote:
    <blockquote type="cite">I suggested this a while back as the &quot;Seam for Web
      Profile&quot;.
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      <div>seam-web-profile.jar</div>
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      <div>Calling it seam.jar is <b>way</b> too ambiguous and is going
        to do nothing but lead to confusion. Let&#39;s give the stack a name
        (such as &quot;Seam for Web Profile&quot;) and qualify the jar.</div>
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      <div>So +1 to that revised idea :)</div>
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      <div>-Dan<br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 18:26, Shane
          Bryzak <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:sbryzak@redhat.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:sbryzak@redhat.com" target="_blank">sbryzak@redhat.com</a>&gt;</span>
          wrote:<br>
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            <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"> That&#39;s a fair point,
              however to address this (and for simplicity&#39;s sake) what
              if we were to provide a combined jar that included most of
              the modules?  I would say that the following list
              represents the &quot;core&quot; of Seam:<br>
              <br>
              Solder<br>
              Catch<br>
              Config<br>
              International<br>
              JMS<br>
              Mail<br>
              Persistence<br>
              REST<br>
              Security<br>
              Servlet<br>
              Validation<br>
              <br>
              We would simply call this combined jar seam.jar, and on
              top of that, the developer would also add dependencies for
              whatever view technology they&#39;re using (i.e. seam-faces,
              errai or seam-wicket), and then the extra features if they
              require them (Cron, JCR, Remoting, Reports, Social, etc). 
              That should greatly reduce the number of jar files in a
              deployment.
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                  On 10/06/11 08:08, John D. Ament wrote:
                  <blockquote type="cite">-1<br>
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                    In my opinion the combined jar helps keep the number
                    of JAR files down in deployments.<br>
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                    <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at
                      12:54 AM, Dan Allen <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dan.j.allen@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:dan.j.allen@gmail.com" target="_blank">dan.j.allen@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
                      wrote:<br>
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                        <div>-Dan
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                              <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 9,
                                2011 at 00:12, Jason Porter <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="http://lightguard.jp" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://lightguard.jp" target="_blank">lightguard.jp</a>@<a href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank">gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
                                wrote:<br>
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                                      <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed,
                                        Jun 8, 2011 at 17:32, Shane
                                        Bryzak <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:sbryzak@redhat.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:sbryzak@redhat.com" target="_blank">sbryzak@redhat.com</a>&gt;</span>
                                        wrote:<br>
                                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex"> We
                                          discussed this briefly on IRC,
                                          however I thought we should
                                          discuss it<br>
                                          on seam-dev before we make any
                                          concrete decision.  To
                                          summarise the plan:<br>
                                          <br>
                                          1. Remove the combined jar
                                          file from each of the modules<br>
                                          2. If the module has a single
                                          implementation, rename it to
                                          whatever the<br>
                                          combined jar was called.<br>
                                              E.g. for Seam Catch, the
                                          impl module would be called
                                          seam-catch.<br>
                                          3. If the module has multiple
                                          implementations, then add a
                                          suffix to the<br>
                                          artifact name that reflects
                                          the individual implementation.<br>
                                              E.g. Seam Reports has two
                                          implementations, which would
                                          be called<br>
                                          seam-reports-jasper (for
                                          Jasper reports) and
                                          seam-reports-pentaho (for<br>
                                          Pentaho).<br>
                                          4. Leave the API naming as it
                                          is, e.g. seam-reports-api.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          The idea is that by importing
                                          the simplified module artifact
                                          name (i.e.<br>
                                          &quot;seam-xxx&quot;) you would get the
                                          default implementation, which
                                          in turn<br>
                                          depends on the API.  The
                                          advantage of this is that we
                                          won&#39;t break<br>
                                          backwards compatibility - e.g.
                                          someone currently declaring a
                                          dependency<br>
                                          on &quot;seam-catch&quot; in their pom
                                          file won&#39;t have their app
                                          broken when we<br>
                                          rename the modules.  Also we
                                          remove the complexity
                                          introduced by having<br>
                                          a combined jar in the first
                                          place.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          If you can spot any issues
                                          with this, please speak up now
                                          ;)<br>
                                          <br>
                                          Shane<br>
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