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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>I understand that having a combined jar when we have different
implementations for an api is not a good idea.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>Maybe we could bundle the api within each implementation for those
who prefer working with a combined jar.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>Jose Rodolfo Freitas<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>De:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Ken Finnigan
[mailto:ken@kenfinnigan.me] <br>
<b>Enviada em:</b> sexta-feira, 10 de junho de 2011 09:27<br>
<b>Para:</b> José Rodolfo Carrijo de Freitas<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Dan Allen; Jordan Ganoff; seam-dev@lists.jboss.org<br>
<b>Assunto:</b> Re: [seam-dev] Removing the combined jar<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>+1 to the profile idea and +1
to removing combined jars, as I believe it simplifies the artifacts being
produced, especially in situations where a module has multiple implementations
and you don't necessarily want to bundle them all together.<br>
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And we don't want to have different bundling techniques for modules that
multiple implementations and those that don't, too confusing.<br>
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>From my enterprise dev experience I can't recall a time when the number of jars
in an application became a concern, but I could have been lucky. I do
agree that when using Ant having multiple artifacts is a PITA, but those using
Ant know going in that dependency management with it is going to bring its own
kind of hell.<br>
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José, to your concern around needing to define multiple artifacts when using
Arquillian. From my interpretation of Dan's bundling idea I see that it
can be achieved in two ways:<br>
1) Provide a set of commonly used Seam modules in a single jar
pre-packaged as suggested, ie. core, business, etc.<br>
2) Provide a UI that allows a developer to pick and choose which modules
they want, then a background process is kicked off to actually shade all those
artifacts together into a single jar and the developer is notified when that
bundling is complete with a link to the download.<br>
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In either of the above situations you would be specifying the bundled jar as a
dependency for any Arquillian tests, thus reducing the number of dependencies
to be listed as most tests would probably touch on a Seam module and Solder at
a minimum, and possibly other modules as well.<br>
<br>
Ken<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 7:47 AM, José Rodolfo Carrijo de
Freitas <<a href="mailto:jose.freitas@softplan.com.br">jose.freitas@softplan.com.br</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>+1 for profile jar Idea. -1 for
removing combined jar.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>I agree with John and besides,
there’re situations that is pretty useful, e.g. when using
shrinkwap mavenresolver it’s easier having one combined jar (less code to
write and keep)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>//war is a shrinkwrap web
archive.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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text-autospace:none'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
color:black'>war.addAsLibraries(DependencyResolvers.<i>use</i>(MavenDependencyResolver.</span><b><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#7F0055'>class</span></b><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>.artifact(“org.jboss.seam.faces:seam-faces:3.1.0-SNAPSHOT”)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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.resolveAs(GenericArchive.</span><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New";color:#7F0055'>class</span></b><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>));</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Atenciosamente,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>José Rodolfo Carrijo de Freitas<br>
Analista de Sistemas<br>
Pesquisa e desenvolvimento</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Softplan/Poligraph</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'><a
href="tel:%2B%2055%2048%203027-8000" target="_blank">+ 55 48 3027-8000</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'><a href="http://www.softplan.com.br/"
target="_blank" title="http://www.softplan.com.br/"><span lang=EN-US
style='color:black;text-decoration:none'>www.softplan.com.br</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>De:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a
href="mailto:seam-dev-bounces@lists.jboss.org" target="_blank">seam-dev-bounces@lists.jboss.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:seam-dev-bounces@lists.jboss.org" target="_blank">seam-dev-bounces@lists.jboss.org</a>]
<b>Em nome de </b>Dan Allen<br>
<b>Enviada em:</b> quinta-feira, 9 de junho de 2011 21:04<br>
<b>Para:</b> Jordan Ganoff<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:seam-dev@lists.jboss.org" target="_blank">seam-dev@lists.jboss.org</a><br>
<b>Assunto:</b> Re: [seam-dev] Removing the combined jar</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On
Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 20:00, Jordan Ganoff <<a href="mailto:jganoff@gmail.com"
target="_blank">jganoff@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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for "profile" jars and removal of the combiner jar.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I'd
like to see a friendly user interface for choosing modules which would generate
the required Maven/Gradle/Ivy dependency list you can copy/paste... that is of
course if you're not using Forge. This would be hosted at the Seam University
for example.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>That
might be best for our new project site, which is in the ice box while we fight
off some oppression. "Help! I'm being oppressed!"<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>We
could do this with a little jQuery magic :)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>-Dan<o:p></o:p></p>
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<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Dan
Allen<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Principal
Software Engineer, Red Hat | Author of Seam in Action<br>
Registered Linux User #231597<o:p></o:p></p>
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