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    I agree, it might be helpful to also have a simple code example
    too.&nbsp; As for the rest of the requirements, they look good to me.<br>
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    On 12/01/12 15:10, Christian Kaltepoth wrote:
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      <div>with "type safe logging" you are&nbsp;referring&nbsp;to typed loggers
        like implemented in Solder, right? In this case you could
        perhaps add a sentence what&nbsp;type safe logging&nbsp;actually is. I
        don't think that everybody knows that.</div>
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      <div>Christian</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">2012/1/12 Ken Finnigan <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
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            As per today's Seam meeting, below is a draft of an email
            I'll send to the DeltaSpike mailing list to re ignite the
            logging discussion, as it is on hold at present.<br>
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            Please provide feedback on content and language used, as I
            want this to get the discussion off on the right foot.<br>
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            Ken<br>
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            All,<br>
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            As we approach a 0.1 release of DeltaSpike, congratulations
            to everyone on the good work so far, I feel it's a good time
            to begin discussing how we want to handle logging within
            DeltaSpike.&nbsp; I certainly don't expect this discussion to
            result in code for 0.1, but the earlier we begin this
            discussion, then it increases the likelihood of it being
            ready for 0.2<br>
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            Having been heavily involved in the logging work for Solder,
            I know the pain that can be experienced in not getting it
            right, and also how long it can take to get right.<br>
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            I see that there are several goals that we want for logging
            in DeltaSpike:<br>
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              <li>Make it simple for both extension writers and end
                users.&nbsp; If it's too difficult to implement, use or even
                get right, then we'll frustrate and alienate developers.</li>
              <li>It must perform.&nbsp; We don't want to introduce large
                overhead to logging.</li>
              <li>There should be an option to allow/provide type safe
                logging.</li>
              <li>An end user should be able to have DeltaSpike log
                against whichever logging library they want to utilize
                in their application.&nbsp; We can certainly support a
                specific framework as a default, but it's important to
                allow a developer to have the same control over how
                DeltaSpike is logged as their own application.</li>
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            <p>Thoughts?</p>
            <p>Regards</p>
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                <p>Ken Finnigan</p>
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