<html><body><div>Thought I may as well add my 2 cents...</div><div><br></div><div>I think if deltaspike is going to make seam 3.x and weld feel like a complete framework again, then that's what the focus should be. You can remain compatible with the existing seam modules by using the shade plugin. Bring deltaspike to stability and create a good migration path.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br>On Jan 17, 2012, at 07:41 AM, Jason Porter <lightguard.jp@gmail.com> wrote:<br><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div class="msg-quote">Moving this into a little more public venue: <a href="http://seamframework.org/Community/TheNextFewSeamReleases" data-mce-href="http://seamframework.org/Community/TheNextFewSeamReleases">http://seamframework.org/Community/TheNextFewSeamReleases</a> <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 04:13, José Rodolfo Freitas <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joserodolfo.freitas@gmail.com" data-mce-href="mailto:joserodolfo.freitas@gmail.com">joserodolfo.freitas@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" data-mce-style="margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;">+1<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 6:33 PM, Shane Bryzak <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sbryzak@redhat.com" data-mce-href="mailto:sbryzak@redhat.com">sbryzak@redhat.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" data-mce-style="margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><div>We're toying with the idea of a 3.2.0 release, which could be done in a couple of months and would mostly include bug fixes and other quality improvements. I agree, DeltaSpike will probably be quite a few months before any form of complete release is done, and I'm sure that many of the modules will require some refactoring as well since deltaspike-core isn't a 1:1 port of Solder.<div><div><br> <br>On 09/01/12 23:04, Antoine Sabot-Durand wrote:<blockquote type="cite">Hello,<div><br></div><div>Right now Delta Spike project is dealing with very low level core aspect of CDI extension (Solder and CODI core merge mainly). I don't know when we'll have a real version of Delta Spike with all the Seam modules. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I've done a lot of dev on Seam Social lately. Unfortunately it was not stable enough to be integrated in 3.1.0.FINAL. So I'm supporting the idea of having a 3.1.1 or even 3.2.0 for me to add my new code to make it available in the coming month and not at the end of the year.</div><div><br></div><div>regards, <br><div><div style="word-wrap:break-word" data-mce-style="word-wrap: break-word;"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" data-mce-style="word-wrap: break-word;"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" data-mce-style="word-wrap: break-word;"><div><div><div><div><br> Antoine SABOT-DURAND<br> ---------------------------------------<br> Blog : <a href="http://www.next-presso.fr" data-mce-href="http://www.next-presso.fr">http://www.next-presso.fr</a><br> Twitter ; <a href="http://twitter.com/antoine_sd" data-mce-href="http://twitter.com/antoine_sd">http://twitter.com/antoine_sd</a><br> LinkedIn : <a href="http://fr.linkedin.com/in/antoinesabotdurand" data-mce-href="http://fr.linkedin.com/in/antoinesabotdurand">http://fr.linkedin.com/in/antoinesabotdurand</a><br> 06 08 55 34 26</div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div><span style="text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal;border-collapse:separate;text-transform:none;font-size:medium;white-space:normal;font-family:Helvetica;word-spacing:0px" data-mce-style="text-indent: 0px; letter-spacing: normal; font-variant: normal; text-align: -webkit-auto; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; border-collapse: separate; text-transform: none; font-size: medium; white-space: normal; font-family: Helvetica; word-spacing: 0px;"><span style="text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal;border-collapse:separate;text-transform:none;font-size:medium;white-space:normal;font-family:Helvetica;word-spacing:0px" data-mce-style="text-indent: 0px; letter-spacing: normal; font-variant: normal; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; border-collapse: separate; text-transform: none; font-size: medium; white-space: normal; font-family: Helvetica; word-spacing: 0px;"><span style="text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal;border-collapse:separate;text-transform:none;font-size:medium;white-space:normal;font-family:Helvetica;word-spacing:0px" data-mce-style="text-indent: 0px; letter-spacing: normal; font-variant: normal; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal; border-collapse: separate; text-transform: none; font-size: medium; white-space: normal; font-family: Helvetica; word-spacing: 0px;"></span></span><br> </span><br></div><br><div><div>Le 5 janv. 2012 à 09:57, Adrian Gonzalez a écrit :</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="font-size:10pt;font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif" data-mce-style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;"><div><div>Hello Jason,</div><div><br></div><div>Just my opinion, and it's not worth much (I'm no Seam dev, and I'm not even using Seam 3 for now - only Seam 2).</div><div><br></div><div>Anyway, samples are a really high priority : CDI and JSF 2 are quite tricky - as where Seam 2 and JSF 1.2 ;)</div><div>I've googled a bit on the internet to find a good JSF/CDI crud sample, you confbuzz sample was the most promising.</div><div><br></div><div>I believe starting with really simple crud samples (confbuzz), and gradually augmenting them is the way to go.</div><div><br></div><div>And with the pre-requisites :</div><div> * stateless is a must - so stateless whenever it's possible.</div><div> * GET for readonly and POST for modifications.</div><div> * striving for simplicity</div><div><br></div><div>Some sample ideas could be :</div><div>1 - Simple CRUD : confbuzz.</div><div>2 - CRUD with search criteria for list page.</div><div> reworking @Inject in Query bean.</div><div>3 - CRUD with edit page (create / update).</div><div> Firt step in LRC ?</div><div> Without a postback to go from list to edit page ?</div><div>4 - CRUD with pagination</div><div>5 - CRUD with sort</div><div>6 - CRUD with delete action in list page</div><div> Postback and LRC in list page... Impact on LRC delimitation in edit page...</div><div>7 - CRUD with multiple select in list page.</div><div>8 - CRUD with RF dataScroller db pagination / sort / filter sample ?</div><div><br></div><div>And documenting every bit of it. This would be like another christmas gift ;)</div><div><br></div><div>For the rest, I wonder if you shouldn't only correct blocker/major issues in Seam 3 and direct all your efforts into DeltaSpike.</div><div><br></div><div>Have a nice day !</div></div><div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt" data-mce-style="font-family: verdana,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><br></div><div style="font-size:10pt;font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif" data-mce-style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;"><div><div dir="ltr"><hr size="1"><span face="Arial" data-mce-style="font-family: Arial;" style="font-family: Arial;"><strong><span style="font-weight:bold" data-mce-style="font-weight: bold;">De :</span></strong> Jason Porter <<a href="mailto:lightguard.jp@gmail.com" data-mce-href="mailto:lightguard.jp@gmail.com">lightguard.jp@gmail.com</a>><br> <strong><span style="font-weight:bold" data-mce-style="font-weight: bold;">À :</span></strong> Seam Mailing List <<a href="mailto:seam-dev@lists.jboss.org" data-mce-href="mailto:seam-dev@lists.jboss.org">seam-dev@lists.jboss.org</a>> <br> <strong><span style="font-weight:bold" data-mce-style="font-weight: bold;">Envoyé le :</span></strong> Mercredi 4 Janvier 2012 23h48<br> <strong><span style="font-weight:bold" data-mce-style="font-weight: bold;">Objet :</span></strong> [seam-dev] Going forward<br> </span></div><br><div>Part of this mail is going to be open thoughts from me, so if you don't agree, that's fine, it's really open for discussion. I'm wondering what everyone wants to focus on for Seam 3.2.0. Obviously we need to support those currently running on Seam 3, and we'll also continue to work on DeltaSpike. I think eventually we will cut a Seam 3 release that's based on DeltaSpike Core instead of Solder, which should make things much easier for people when migration time comes, or if they want to use MyFaces CODI extensions as well.<br><div><br></div><div>We currently have 369 issues against Seam 3. I'm not sure how many we squashed during the Seam 3.1 cycle, but I know it was quite a bit, maybe 150+. I'd like to hear from the community as well as the module leads what they feel like we should be working on for this next Seam development cycle. </div><div><br></div><div>I know we have said we were going to focus on documentation and examples, and I still believe that needs to happen. Obviously we need to do some other dev as well. Maybe a good example though will drive some of that development. Right now the current examples are very weak and typically only focus on one or two modules. I have my Confbuzz example [1] which is up to date with Seam 3.1.0.Final, but is really lacking features. It could be a good place to start if nothing else.</div><div><br></div><div>Does anyone else have any thoughts or a direction they'd like to see things move?</div><div><br></div><div>[1] <a rel="nofollow" href="https://github.com/seam/seam-example-confbuzz" data-mce-href="https://github.com/seam/seam-example-confbuzz">https://github.com/seam/seam-example-confbuzz</a></div>-- <br> Jason Porter<br> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://lightguard-jp.blogspot.com/" data-mce-href="http://lightguard-jp.blogspot.com/">http://lightguard-jp.blogspot.com</a><br> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://twitter.com/lightguardjp" data-mce-href="http://twitter.com/lightguardjp">http://twitter.com/lightguardjp</a><br> <br> Software Engineer<br> Open Source Advocate<br> Author of Seam Catch - Next Generation Java Exception Handling<br> <br> PGP key id: 926CCFF5<br> PGP key available at: <a rel="nofollow" href="http://keyserver.net/" data-mce-href="http://keyserver.net/">keyserver.net</a>, <a rel="nofollow" href="http://pgp.mit.edu/" data-mce-href="http://pgp.mit.edu/">pgp.mit.edu</a><br></div><br> _______________________________________________<br> seam-dev mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:seam-dev@lists.jboss.org" data-mce-href="mailto:seam-dev@lists.jboss.org">seam-dev@lists.jboss.org</a><br> <a href="https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/seam-dev" data-mce-href="https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/seam-dev">https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/seam-dev</a><br> <br> <br></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br> seam-dev mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:seam-dev@lists.jboss.org" data-mce-href="mailto:seam-dev@lists.jboss.org">seam-dev@lists.jboss.org</a><br> <a href="https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/seam-dev" data-mce-href="https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/seam-dev">https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/seam-dev</a><br></blockquote></div><br></div><br><fieldset></fieldset><br><pre>_______________________________________________
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