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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Jon,<br>
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If you need any Redhat official answers use wfk-pm-list or
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jboss-migration@redhat.com">jboss-migration@redhat.com</a><br>
<br>
Now to your questions in frame of Seam/Seam3 projects, my response
is inline<br>
<br>
On 03/13/2014 03:00 AM, Jon Da Vault wrote:<br>
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<div><span style="color: #ff0000;" data-mce-style="color:
#ff0000;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Hello list
members,</span><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="color: #ff0000;" data-mce-style="color:
#ff0000;"><span data-mce-bogus="true"><span style="color:
rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br>
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<div><span style="color: #ff0000;" data-mce-style="color:
#ff0000;"><span data-mce-bogus="true"><span style="color:
rgb(0, 0, 0);">Earlier today I posed a couple
questions that did receive one response. The response
has spawned a few more of my own questions and I have
included the response in my conversation/further
questions below. The original question is in red, and
the response is also called-out and in red. The
continuation question is in green. There are a couple
new questions posed after the continued (green and
red) question portion. Thanks for your help!<br>
</span></span></span></div>
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#ff0000;"><br>
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<div><span style="color: #ff0000;" data-mce-style="color:
#ff0000;">1)</span> <span style="color: #ff0000;"
data-mce-style="color: #ff0000;">The customer makes
extensive use of Seam 2 remoting for their banking
security application. Is there an equivalent in CDI (Weld)
that will allow them to continue using remoting? If not,
what alternatives do we offer in it's place?</span><br>
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You mean Seam remoting, right? Lincoln's answer is correct for
moving to Java EE 6 standards. The question is what the customer
prefers or needs, big migration like develop it from the ground as
it probably ends due some differences between Seam2 and Seam3/Java
EE6 standards. Or use Seam 2.3 with updates to Java EE 6
integration.<br>
And please don't advice them to use Seam 3 if you don't want to be
your own supporter. <br>
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cite="mid:1555218976.5602434.1394676008475.JavaMail.zimbra@redhat.com"
type="cite">
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<div><span style="color: #ff0000;" data-mce-style="color:
#ff0000;">Mailing List Response: You can take a look at
Errai, or simply use JAX-RS.</span></div>
<div><span style="color: #003300;" data-mce-style="color:
#003300;">Q: Seam 3 appears to have it's own remoting
functionality available much like Seam 2. URL: <span
class="Object" id="OBJ_PREFIX_DWT3299_com_zimbra_url"><span
class="Object" id="OBJ_PREFIX_DWT3312_com_zimbra_url"><span
class="Object"
id="OBJ_PREFIX_DWT3323_com_zimbra_url"><span
class="Object"
id="OBJ_PREFIX_DWT3334_com_zimbra_url"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://seamframework.org/Seam3/RemotingModule"
target="_blank"
data-mce-href="http://seamframework.org/Seam3/RemotingModule"><span
style="color: #000000;" data-mce-style="color:
#000000;">http://seamframework.org/Seam3/RemotingModule<span
style="color: #000000;"
data-mce-style="color: #000000;"><span
style="color: #003300;"
data-mce-style="color: #003300;"></span></span></span></a></span></span></span></span></span><br
data-mce-bogus="1">
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<div><span style="color: #003300;" data-mce-style="color:
#003300;">As you'll note, there is a large disclaimer
stating that active development for the project is halted
and that the project is also deprecated. However, I feel
that if the customer moves from Seam 2 remoting to Seam 3
remoting they will incur a smaller amount of work than if
they were to consider adopting a new technology such as
Errai or JAX-RS as you've suggested as best cases. While
they are interested in adopting a better or more
appropriate technology for their application, they still
want to rapidly make the move to Seam 3/Solder/CDI/Weld in
the meantime and I think this sets them up nicely for
migrating the rest of the technologies over. What the
customer is extremely interested in knowing is if these
technologies now sitting as-is (3.1 Snapshot I believe)
can be said to be categorically stable and functional
currently for this sort of temporary use case with full
knowledge they aren't supported moving forward? If so, are
there any migration documents available? If no migration
documents are available, do you have anywhere you can
point me in order to get a head start on creating one
myself for our client? Do you agree with this
short-term-win approach?</span></div>
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Migration documents in JBoss Developer project
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.jboss.org/jdf/migrations/get-started/">http://www.jboss.org/jdf/migrations/get-started/</a><br>
Some other inspiration see
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.jboss.org/jdf/examples/get-started/">http://www.jboss.org/jdf/examples/get-started/</a><br>
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<div><br>
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<div><span style="color: #ff0000;" data-mce-style="color:
#ff0000;">2) The customer currently uses Seam-managed
Hibernate Sessions: he guesses they are not supported in
CDI and wishes to know what is the best way to go moving
forward? For example, something that is more conforming to
JPA2 was mentioned.</span><span style="color: #ff0000;"
data-mce-style="color: #ff0000;"><br>
<span style="color: #ff0000;" data-mce-style="color:
#ff0000;">Mailing List Response</span>: Moving to a more
standard JPA environment would be best</span></div>
<div><span style="color: #ff0000;" data-mce-style="color:
#ff0000;"><span style="color: #003300;"
data-mce-style="color: #003300;">Q: Here again, there
seems to be a Seam 3 persistence module available as
before and I wonder if the customer could utilize this
in the short term while preparing for an adoption of a
new persistence technology lsuch as, say, just
Hibernate? The URL I'm referencing is: <span
class="Object" id="OBJ_PREFIX_DWT3300_com_zimbra_url"><span
class="Object"
id="OBJ_PREFIX_DWT3313_com_zimbra_url"><span
class="Object"
id="OBJ_PREFIX_DWT3324_com_zimbra_url"><span
class="Object"
id="OBJ_PREFIX_DWT3335_com_zimbra_url"></span></span></span></span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://seamframework.org/Seam3/PersistenceModule"
data-mce-href="http://seamframework.org/Seam3/PersistenceModule">http://seamframework.org/Seam3/PersistenceModule</a></span><br>
</span></div>
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Move to JPA2.<br>
If you need extended Deltaspike persistence use Deltaspike on CDI -
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://deltaspike.apache.org/data.html">http://deltaspike.apache.org/data.html</a><br>
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<div><span style="color: #ff0000;" data-mce-style="color:
#ff0000;"><span style="color: #003300;"
data-mce-style="color: #003300;"><br>
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<div><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"
data-mce-style="color: #ff0000;"><span style="color:
rgb(255, 0, 0);" data-mce-style="color: #ff0000;">3)
Given that components.xml is a large part of their
implementation in Seam2, how can we break it up to
conform with CDI/Weld/Seam3?</span></span><span
style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);" data-mce-style="color:
#ff0000;"><span color="#ff0000"><br>
</span></span><span style="color: #ff0000;"
data-mce-style="color: #ff0000;"><span style="color:
#ff0000;" data-mce-style="color: #ff0000;"><span
style="color: #003300;" data-mce-style="color:
#003300;"></span></span></span>
<div><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"
data-mce-style="color: #ff0000;">Mailing List Response:
All depends on what is in their components.xml, there's
no simple answer here.</span></div>
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And that is simply true, you need to evalute the features you need
or you have to as a must.<br>
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<div><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"
data-mce-style="color: #ff0000;"><span style="color:
rgb(0, 51, 0);" data-mce-style="color: #003300;">Q: I
agree with this response. I do, however, have a
snapshot of the components.xml and I know that it
needs to be broken up into a few different places.
Does anyone have experience in doing this? Please
reply and I will send you the components.xml document
if you'd like to assist in helping me to map the
pieces to the appropriate places. If there's
sufficient documentation online, as always, please
direct me to it.</span><br>
</span></div>
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Use <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jboss-migration@redhat.com">jboss-migration@redhat.com</a>, that is specifically for helping
with migrations of existing application supported by Redhat. <br>
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<div><span style="color: #ff0000;" data-mce-style="color:
#ff0000;"><span style="color: #003300;"
data-mce-style="color: #003300;"><br>
</span></span></div>
<div><span style="color: #ff0000;" data-mce-style="color:
#ff0000;"><span style="color: #003300;"
data-mce-style="color: #003300;"> </span></span></div>
<div><span style="color: #ff0000;" data-mce-style="color:
#ff0000;"><span style="color: #003300;"
data-mce-style="color: #003300;"><span style="color:
#000000;" data-mce-style="color: #000000;">Lastly, if
you're not tired of reading my questions yet there are
a couple new ones below:</span></span></span></div>
<div><span style="color: #ff0000;" data-mce-style="color:
#ff0000;"><span style="color: #003300;"
data-mce-style="color: #003300;"><span style="color:
#000000;" data-mce-style="color: #000000;"><br>
<strong>First new question:</strong> "There used to be
a class in Seam 2 called
org.jboss.seam.faces.Redirect. We use this a few
times to force a redirect in different cases.</span></span></span></div>
<div><span style="color: #ff0000;" data-mce-style="color:
#ff0000;"><span style="color: #003300;"
data-mce-style="color: #003300;"><span style="color:
#000000;" data-mce-style="color: #000000;"> </span></span></span></div>
<div><span style="color: #ff0000;" data-mce-style="color:
#ff0000;"><span style="color: #003300;"
data-mce-style="color: #003300;"><span style="color:
#000000;" data-mce-style="color: #000000;"><br>
</span></span></span></div>
<div><span style="color: #ff0000;" data-mce-style="color:
#ff0000;"><span style="color: #003300;"
data-mce-style="color: #003300;"><span style="color:
#000000;" data-mce-style="color: #000000;">for
example:<br>
<br>
1. When user enters a valid URL but is not yet
logged on; view is captured and user returned to it
after successful logon.<br>
<br>
2. When we detect that a user is no longer logged
on; we redirect to a “Logon expired page”<br>
<br>
So, the question is: What do I replace this with?
I looked in Seam 3 but it doesn’t appear to have been
implemented (at least not in the seam-faces jar)."</span></span></span></div>
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JSF 2 has got navigation rules and redirection. You can use it
instead of pages.xml in Seam 2.<br>
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<div><span style="color: #ff0000;" data-mce-style="color:
#ff0000;"><span style="color: #003300;"
data-mce-style="color: #003300;"><span style="color:
#000000;" data-mce-style="color: #000000;"> </span></span></span></div>
<div><span style="color: #ff0000;" data-mce-style="color:
#ff0000;"><span style="color: #003300;"
data-mce-style="color: #003300;"><span style="color:
#000000;" data-mce-style="color: #000000;"><strong>Second
new question:</strong> Regarding their current usage
of Seam 2 "We use the class
org.jboss.seam.async.Dispatcher to create long running
threads in the container. Can you tell me what I
should use instead?"<br>
</span></span></span></div>
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TimerService in Java EE 6 is enhanced and is basically replacement
for Seam 2 Asynchronous.
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://docs.oracle.com/javaee/6/tutorial/doc/bnboy.html">http://docs.oracle.com/javaee/6/tutorial/doc/bnboy.html</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://docs.oracle.com/javaee/6/api/javax/ejb/TimerService.html">http://docs.oracle.com/javaee/6/api/javax/ejb/TimerService.html</a><br>
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<div><span style="color: #ff0000;" data-mce-style="color:
#ff0000;"><span style="color: #003300;"
data-mce-style="color: #003300;"><span style="color:
#000000;" data-mce-style="color: #000000;"> </span></span></span></div>
<div><span style="color: #ff0000;" data-mce-style="color:
#ff0000;"><span style="color: #003300;"
data-mce-style="color: #003300;"><span style="color:
#000000;" data-mce-style="color: #000000;">Again, if
there are any documents or web sites that deal with
these questions specifically regarding migration I
would greatly appreciate having them sent to me.<br>
</span></span></span></div>
<div><span style="color: #ff0000;" data-mce-style="color:
#ff0000;"><span style="color: #003300;"
data-mce-style="color: #003300;"><span style="color:
#000000;" data-mce-style="color: #000000;"> </span></span></span></div>
<div><span style="color: #ff0000;" data-mce-style="color:
#ff0000;"><span style="color: #003300;"
data-mce-style="color: #003300;"><span style="color:
#000000;" data-mce-style="color: #000000;">Thank You,<br>
</span></span></span></div>
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#ff0000;"><span style="color: #003300;"
data-mce-style="color: #003300;"><span style="color:
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</span></span></span></div>
<div><span style="color: #ff0000;" data-mce-style="color:
#ff0000;"><span style="color: #003300;"
data-mce-style="color: #003300;"><span style="color:
#000000;" data-mce-style="color: #000000;">Jon Da
Vault<br>
</span></span></span></div>
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#ff0000;"><span style="color: #003300;"
data-mce-style="color: #003300;"><span style="color:
#000000;" data-mce-style="color: #000000;">Consultant<br>
</span></span></span></div>
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#ff0000;"><span style="color: #003300;"
data-mce-style="color: #003300;"><span style="color:
#000000;" data-mce-style="color: #000000;">206.369.2304<br>
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