On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 7:34 AM, Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com> wrote: > (that it's confusing to keep track of what outjects what when) Yes, exactly. In this proposal, there can only be one object responsible for producing the thing. -- Gavin King gavin.king at gmail.com http://in.relation.to/Bloggers/Gavin http://hibernate.org http://seamframework.org