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<td class="text-paragraph-pattern-container mobile-resize-text " style="padding: 0px; border-collapse: collapse; padding: 0 0 10px 0; padding-top: 10px"> <span class="diffcontext">{quote}When invoking session.invalidate I would expect all the conversations to drop and working with them after this call seems like a bit of a lottery to me.{quote}<br />I would expect that at least the current conversation lives till the end of the request, just as it does when {{conversation.end()}} is invoked explicitly.<br /><br />{quote}But then again, is it good idea to rely on method callback order here?</span> <span class="diffremovedchars" style="background-color:#ffe7e7;text-decoration:line-through;"> <br /></span> <span class="diffaddedchars" style="background-color:#ddfade;">{quote}</span> <span class="diffcontext"><br /></span> <span class="diffaddedchars" style="background-color:#ddfade;">For me this is not about callback order, but about being able to use the current conversation until the request ends.<br /><br /></span> <span class="diffcontext">{quote}By the way, regarding the latter sentence in the above quoted text - that would mean you can basically never be sure whether a long-running conversation is alive. Weld does not follow this bit either and does not destroy your conversations in such unexpected manner.{quote}<br />1. It says "associated with no current Servlet request", but {{session.invalidate}} destroys even the current conversation immediately. <br />2. In RFC2119 terms this is a MAY statement - it's "permitted". While the session invalidation logic is described matter-of-factly, as a MUST.<br />3. I don't think this should be taken to extreme like that, the notion "you can basically never be sure whether a long-running conversation is alive" would mean that there is basically no point in using long-running conversations at all. The permission is quite broad, but I would expect an implementation to be reasonable.<br /><br />{quote}Would you be able to point me towards some realistic scenario where it would make sense to make it work literally as described in the spec?{quote}<br />We keep EntityManager in the conversation scope, and transaction handling is tied to JSF phases (ala Seam 2). It's an "Open Session in View" + extension of Fowler's "Unit of Work" thing.<br />When the conversation is destroyed during logging out, the em gets closed. Transaction handling tries to join the transaction to em and fails, since it's closed.<br /><br />And again, at least for the current conversation how is session invalidation different from an explicit {{conversation.end()}} call?</span> <span class="diffremovedchars" style="background-color:#ffe7e7;text-decoration:line-through;"> </span>
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