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                                                    <td class="text-paragraph-pattern-container mobile-resize-text " style="padding: 0px; border-collapse: collapse; padding: 0 0 10px 0"> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0"><a href="https://issues.jboss.org/secure/ViewProfile.jspa?name=struberg" class="user-hover" rel="struberg" style="color: #3b73af; text-decoration: none">Mark Struberg</a>I mentioned CDI 1.1, why are you talking about 1.0 ?</p> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0">The test is in CDI <b>1.1</b> TCK validated in 2013 by the CDI 1.1 EG and released to the JCP: <a href="https://github.com/cdi-spec/cdi-tck/blob/1.1/impl/src/main/java/org/jboss/cdi/tck/tests/implementation/simple/lifecycle/unproxyable/UnproxyableManagedBeanTest.java" class="external-link" rel="nofollow" style="color: #3b73af; text-decoration: none">https://github.com/cdi-spec/cdi-tck/blob/1.1/impl/src/main/java/org/jboss/cdi/tck/tests/implementation/simple/lifecycle/unproxyable/UnproxyableManagedBeanTest.java</a></p> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0">The Weld Ticket you mention is the middle of the story, the origin is <a href="https://issues.jboss.org/browse/CDITCK-263" title="UnproxyableManagedBeanTest should test runtime exception" class="issue-link" data-issue-key="CDITCK-263" style="color: #3b73af; text-decoration: none"><del>CDITCK-263</del></a>, closed 5 years ago with no comment.<br> This test was enhanced in 2015 with other use case thru <a href="https://issues.jboss.org/browse/CDITCK-508" title="Enhance tests for unproxyable types - final methods" class="issue-link" data-issue-key="CDITCK-508" style="color: #3b73af; text-decoration: none"><del>CDITCK-508</del></a>, again no comment. I'm sorry you missed these occasion to discuss your point, but they are closed now and CDI 2.0 is released.</p> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0">You're assuming the original intent of the CDI 1.0 EG because of this test that was decided wrong later. I prefer to assume intent of the original EG to have these failing at runtime by reading the spec and the section related to <tt>UnproxyableResolutionException</tt> (<a href="http://docs.jboss.org/cdi/spec/1.1/cdi-spec.html#contextual_reference" class="external-link" rel="nofollow" style="color: #3b73af; text-decoration: none">http://docs.jboss.org/cdi/spec/1.1/cdi-spec.html#contextual_reference</a>).<br> Again Spec supersede TCK and that's what happened with <a href="https://issues.jboss.org/browse/CDITCK-263" title="UnproxyableManagedBeanTest should test runtime exception" class="issue-link" data-issue-key="CDITCK-263" style="color: #3b73af; text-decoration: none"><del>CDITCK-263</del></a>.</p> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0">What you propose is interesting but non portable because the following behaviour was already adopted in RI, supported in vendors application servers and changing it could create backward compatibility issues.</p> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0">Again, I suggest that you propose a mention of this non portable behaviour in the spec.</p> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0">May I also suggest that you avoid putting exclamation marks and explaining people that they are wrong, It really doesn't help discussion.</p> </td> 
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