[wildfly-dev] smaller footprints

Stuart Douglas stuart.w.douglas at gmail.com
Sun Feb 23 21:10:29 EST 2014


No, because that means we essentially have to support and test every
possible combination that someone might select.

Stuart


On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 7:13 AM, Misty Stanley-Jones <misty at redhat.com>wrote:

> I know you guys aren’t there yet, but can we think about wrapping a GUI
> around this, so that the developer only needs to tick the boxes for what he
> does/doesn’t want, with dependencies sorted out automatically? Maybe some
> default profiles that select a group of things, but the ability to go in
> and add or remove individual subsystems as needed? Maybe this could be part
> of the installer but could optionally be run post-install as well.
>
> On Feb 22, 2014, at 2:01 AM, Brian Stansberry <brian.stansberry at redhat.com>
> wrote:
>
> > When I said "Web" I meant the thing described on that wiki page Tomaz
> > linked:
> >
> > "Web
> >
> > Undertow subsystem, and all related dependencies, including a small
> > subset of EE and JNDI. This is basically just a Servlet container, and
> > will provide a platform for people that want to create web based
> > appliances or applications, and don't need all the additional
> > functionality that Wildfly provides. We should end up with something as
> > lightweight as Tomcat or Jetty, but with all our advanced management
> > functionality."
> >
> > On 2/21/14, 9:40 AM, Bill Burke wrote:
> >> Its also "Web" minus some stuff.  For my project I want just Servlet,
> >> JAX-RS, JPA, and datasources.   Its very very hard to figure out how to
> >> remove a subsystem and all its associated modules.
> >>
> >> BTW, I think my maven artifact thing got into JBoss Modules. So it
> >> would be possible to load jars on demand, or at least use it as a way to
> >> figure out which modules aren't being used ;).
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2/21/2014 10:22 AM, Brian Stansberry wrote:
> >>> This will move things in the right direction, but not all the way there
> >>> yet. Note the set of capabilities Bill mention: web, CDI, JAX-RS, JPA.
> >>> That sounds like our "Web" variant, plus some stuff. It's the easy
> "plus
> >>> some stuff" part that needs sorting at some point.
> >>>
> >>> On 2/21/14, 9:08 AM, Tomaž Cerar wrote:
> >>>> Bill,
> >>>>
> >>>> that is exactly idea we have in mind of 9.
> >>>> We already started with producing WildFly core distribution in that is
> >>>> WildFly with no subsystems, upon which you can build you own wildfly.
> >>>> It is only 15mb and contains whole mgmt capabilites (CLI, standalone,
> >>>> domain,...) you can grab it at:
> >>>>
> http://download.jboss.org/wildfly/8.0.0.Final/core/wildfly-core-8.0.0.Final.zip
> >>>>
> >>>> For 9 we have plans to move things bit further and have decided that
> we
> >>>> will also do split codebase for core, ee, web, .. and other
> distributions.
> >>>>
> >>>> Current idea on code split up is here
> >>>> https://community.jboss.org/wiki/SplittingUpTheWildflyCodeBase
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> tomaz
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Bill Burke <bburke at redhat.com
> >>>> <mailto:bburke at redhat.com>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>      On Resteasy list I have a few people "rolling their own app
> server"
> >>>>      using Netty, Weld, Resteasy and JPA.  I asked one of them "I
> don't
> >>>>      understand why you are rolling your own app server" response:
> >>>>
> >>>>      "It's actually a lot more lightweight.  The minimum I can run the
> >>>>      equivalent on AS7 on is ~ 180 mb in binaries, but throwing this
> >>>>      together is about 32 mb (and compresses further when its
> packaged).
> >>>>      I'm able to start the JVM on the bare minimum (~100mb on my
> linux VM)
> >>>>      but AS7 with all I need is about 756mb.  When rolling out in the
> >>>>      cloud, where all of my REST APIs are stateless, running with this
> >>>>      configuration helps us get a lot more per node."
> >>>>
> >>>>      I'm not complaining :), just something to think about. It might
> be
> >>>>      really valuable to focus a bit in Wildfly 9 to make it easier to
> create
> >>>>      custom profiles or even different packaging options for the app
> server
> >>>>      instead of the exploded style we currently have.
> >>>>      --
> >>>>      Bill Burke
> >>>>      JBoss, a division of Red Hat
> >>>>      http://bill.burkecentral.com
> >>>>      _______________________________________________
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> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
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