[wildfly-dev] Managed exploded deployments

James Perkins jperkins at redhat.com
Fri Jun 10 17:46:59 EDT 2016


On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 2:41 PM, Brian Stansberry <
brian.stansberry at redhat.com> wrote:

> On 6/10/16 4:27 PM, James Perkins wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 8:18 AM, Emmanuel Hugonnet <ehugonne at redhat.com
> > <mailto:ehugonne at redhat.com>> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >     On 10/06/2016 17:06, Brian Stansberry wrote:
> >     > On 6/10/16 9:39 AM, Emmanuel Hugonnet wrote:
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >> On 10/06/2016 16:22, David M. Lloyd wrote:
> >     >>> On 06/10/2016 08:38 AM, Brian Stansberry wrote:
> >     >>>> Emmanuel Hugonnet has been working on a long requested feature
> >     to have
> >     >>>> WildFly support "managed exploded deployments." We have a
> >     requirements
> >     >>>> analysis doc for this at
> >     https://developer.jboss.org/docs/DOC-55497 and
> >     >>>> I just wanted to point that out to the list so anyone
> >     interested can
> >     >>>> have a look, and comment on this thread or on the document.
> >     >>>>
> >     >>>> A managed deployment is one where the user provided content is
> >     copied by
> >     >>>> the server/host controller into its internal content repo and
> then
> >     >>>> thereafter that copy is what is used. I estimate that 99%+ of
> >     all zipped
> >     >>>> deployments in WildFly are managed. With an unmanaged
> >     deployment the
> >     >>>> user provides the server with the local FS path to the content
> >     and then
> >     >>>> the server directly uses that content. All exploded deployments
> are
> >     >>>> unmanaged, as we don't support managed yet.
> >     >>>>
> >     >>>> We propose to add 5 new operations to the deployment resource:
> >     >>>>
> >     >>>> explode (to convert and archive deployment to exploded)
> >     >>>
> >     >>> Hmmm.
> >     >>>
> >     >>> Is deployment explosion really an deployer concern, or is it a
> >     >>> deployment provider concern?  Consider:
> >     >>>
> >     >>> * The deployment provider is the one who will know whether or not
> >     >>> his/her deployment will function correctly with or without
> >     exploding.
> >     >>> * The deployment will have been tested in the desired
> configuration
> >     >>> (exploded or unexploded).
> >     >>> * Making this a deployer/administrator concern means that he/she
> >     must
> >     >>> ensure that the extra step(s) taken in development and testing
> >     are also
> >     >>> replicated in production.
> >     >>>
> >     >>> Wouldn't it make more sense to have some deployment control
> metadata
> >     >>> (maybe even just a MANIFEST header) that says whether the
> particular
> >     >>> archive should be exploded?
> >     >>>
> >     >>> Also, I don't think it's clear that you always want to explode
> >     the outer
> >     >>> archive if an inner archive is to be exploded (I'm not sure
> that's
> >     >>> necessarily implied by the proposed design, but it certainly
> >     would be in
> >     >>> the recursive case).  In particular it's definitely useful to
> >     explode
> >     >>> WARs inside of EARs that need not be exploded.
> >     >>>
> >     >>> Explode!!
> >     >>>
> >     >>> (eom)
> >     >>
> >     >> I think the main target for explosion scenarios are tools (IDE,
> >     build tools, etc.) in a development environment. so this mecanism is
> >     >> transparent from the developer point of vuiew.
> >     >> You have the same functionalities as with the scanner with
> >     hopefully a better control over the deployment management.
> >     >> Also this means you can develop on a remote server or even on a
> >     domain without having to rebuild the whole archive everytime.
> >     >>
> >     >
> >     > So would you use the 'explode' operation in your netbeans plugin,
> i.e.
> >     > start archived and explode? I'm curious if the JBDS guys will.
> >
> >     Well it depends. On NetBeans you have a "Deploy on Save" checkbox so
> >     that the 'build' (since the build process it externalized in
> Netbeans)
> >     will no longer produce an archive but a list of changes.
> >     So I might need to explode the deployment somewhere in time.
> >
> >
> > I could see this being useful in a scenario where a user launches
> > WildFly in something like Docker but they want to see changes on static
> > content without a full redeploy.
> >
> > If it's all local then it's already possible to do this using an
> > unmanaged deployment.
>
> I think David's original point was objecting to the "explode" op which
> takes an existing managed archive deployment and turns it into a managed
> exploded deployment. He questions whether that's a valid use case to
> support. It wasn't about whether managed exploded deployments are a good
> idea at all, just whether an internal conversion operation should be
> supported.
>
> Managed exploded deployments have a number of benefits over unmanaged:
>
> 1) Remote content administration, no local FS access required
> 2) Automatic content replication in a managed domain.
> 3) The content is stored in the internal repo, less likely to get messed
> up somehow by other user activity on the filesystem.
>
>
Got it. I think I misread something in there :)


> >
> >
> >
> >
> >     >
> >     > I suspect it would be used as a convenience; i.e. instead of the
> tool
> >     > initially uploading 100 files, it uploads a zip and explodes it.
> And
> >     > then either way it begins to manipulate the few files that the tool
> >     > regards as eligible for update without redeploy (.html, .css, etc.)
> >
> >     That's also a use case (depending on producing an archive in the
> >     first place).
> >
> >     Emmanuel
> >
> >
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