2012/12/17 Jay Balunas <jbalunas@redhat.com>

On Dec 17, 2012, at 3:08 PM, Matthias Wessendorf wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Jay Balunas <jbalunas@redhat.com> wrote:
>> This is similar to what I was thinking as well.
>>
>> There are two main types of push; native & non-native, but I don't like those designations. It is really more like "live" & "background" push, referring to the state of the client.
>>
>> Live push == Application is open, and active on the client. Push msgs are routed to the application via more traditional long/short polling, websockets, etc...
>>
>> Background push == Application is closed, and not active on the client. Regular live push messages are not possible. The only way to communicate is via APN, GC native messaging (sorry web apps - no love).
>>
>> In an ideal world there would be no difference to the application developer using AeroGear API's (client or server). The server-side would know what clients are available, and the clients would be listening automatically. Sending a message would be agnostic for the server-side.
>>
>> Unfortunately this can not "fully" be the case as background/native messages have limitations on the content, client support, and delivery mechanisms.
>
> one option is, to "push / poll". The client gets a msg on what to
> fetch. When back online it performs a "normal" fetch/poll for the data
> in question

+1 - I've seen that sort of thing as an option for native push - its really just a phone call to tell the app it has an email - go read it :-)

>
>> So I think the best we can do is setup a "smart" message system that gets you pretty close with good fallback api's and checks for what sort of messages are possible, or configured.
>>
>> Make sense, or is this just a big ramble? :-)
>>
>> -Jay
>>
>> On Dec 5, 2012, at 2:14 AM, Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
>>
>>> well,
>>>
>>> the idea is to have a wrapper/hook for "push notification" (e.g. APN)
>>> in the notifier as well:
>>> * receiving 'native push' events, when the app is offline (inactive,
>>> not watching the tab/window)
>>>
>>> If an app is offline, you simple can't receive a websocket frame/msg.
>>> So push is needed to tell AG that is needs to fetch data for sync etc.
>>>
>>> -Matthias
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Burr Sutter <bsutter@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>> I am concerned about the words "push" and "notifier" as those can become confused with real "push notifications" which we will have to have a client API for in the future.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 3, 2012, at 2:46 AM, Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> any further comments?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> yesterday some folks of the team meet, to talk about WebSocket - more
>>>>>> generally (HTML5) connectivity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is a write-up from the meeting:
>>>>>> https://gist.github.com/dd6e3c2da08830776996
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Feedback and comments are welcome - Please use the comment function on
>>>>>> that gist!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>> Matthias
>>>>>>
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